09-01-2021, 11:48 AM
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Re: Democracy
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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That's not a novel idea Minx !!Nor is it democracy !!We have been there and done that. !!
The corruption here is covert !!
Your corruption is overt !!
What is the worst ??
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
09-01-2021, 12:52 PM
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Re: Democracy
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThey are there to hold the elected Politicians to account.
They can only hold things up, they cannot overrule Parliament.
Do not forget, we could have had Corbyn in Power.
Why should an unelected set of out-of-touch privileged oiks be allowed to even "hold things up" for no goos reason other than to suit their own agenda rather than that of the people they supposedly serve?
It is time they were abolished.
Your "Corbyn" comment has no relevence here since the HoL would still be pretty much as it is and certainly still hold the powers it does.
09-01-2021, 12:57 PM
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Re: Democracy
True democracy doesn't work. Take the EU - 26 vote for a change and one doesn't so the change doesn't happen.In this country, the majority want to get rid of the Lords, yet it doesn't happen.
In America 60% of the electorate want some sort of gun control and yet it doesn't happen and why?
Because lobbying takes place, palms are greased and we get the status quo.
09-01-2021, 12:58 PM
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Re: Democracy
Originally Posted by Minx
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Covert is much worse.
That's why so many want rid of the HoL or at best major reform.
Boris included, by all accounts.
I don't know if you are able to read the following from The Times (there are ways) but I will put it here in case you can; it makes for interesting reading.
Entitled "Is Boris Johnson trying to push the House of Lords into extinction?" It contains such gems as this:
' Professor Meg Russell, the director of the constitutions unit at University College London, says: “Many people, including some on the government’s own benches in the Lords, believe that these appointments are part of a deliberate strategy to undermine the reputation of the Lords in order to weaken parliamentary scrutiny against the government.”
The Countess of Mar agrees. “I am certain that has been going on. The house is going to be made a laughing stock and it will be an excuse for getting rid of it.” '
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...tion-wp08hb86c
09-01-2021, 01:03 PM
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Re: Democracy
Originally Posted by PooBear
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True democracy doesn't work. Take the EU - 26 vote for a change and one doesn't so the change doesn't happen.In this country, the majority want to get rid of the Lords, yet it doesn't happen.
In America 60% of the electorate want some sort of gun control and yet it doesn't happen and why?
Because lobbying takes place, palms are greased and we get the status quo.
There is nothing truly democratic about ignoring the wishes of an informed majority and it is with that one word, "informed", that problems arise - as we see with multiple examples globally.
It is extremely difficult to determine how well-informed anybody needs to be in order to make an educated and logical decision.
09-01-2021, 01:10 PM
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Re: Democracy
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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It is indeed.That's why so many want rid of the HoL or at best major reform.
Boris included, by all accounts.
I don't know if you are able to read the following from The Times (there are ways) but I will put it here in case you can; it makes for interesting reading.
Entitled "Is Boris Johnson trying to push the House of Lords into extinction?" It contains such gems as this:
' Professor Meg Russell, the director of the constitutions unit at University College London, says: “Many people, including some on the government’s own benches in the Lords, believe that these appointments are part of a deliberate strategy to undermine the reputation of the Lords in order to weaken parliamentary scrutiny against the government.”
The Countess of Mar agrees. “I am certain that has been going on. The house is going to be made a laughing stock and it will be an excuse for getting rid of it.” '
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...tion-wp08hb86c
Simply ask the people, then let the people elect the upper chamber - and God help them if they screw it up.
09-01-2021, 01:38 PM
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Re: Democracy
With only two proper political parties to choose from 'Democracy' is just a figment of everyone's imagination. The state making you think you have some choices....Anyone like Farage who cares about this country and could have made a difference is made to look a fool and allowed to be ridiculed by the media. We are all controlled and manipulated by the media under instruction from the establishment. The worst thing though......We don't even know or acknowledge that they are doing it!
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