Re: Our way of life ending
Originally Posted by
Dextrous63
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I'm currently sat in the timber cabin at the bottom of the garden. Looking out of the window, I see and hear a distinct lack of wildlife/insects but put this partly down to the time of year. Not sure why there are so few birds around.
Then I look at the back of my house. The doors and windows are upvc, which I doubt will be able to be re-purposed when they eventually either fail or the house gets pulled down. Can't be sure, but suspect that their manufacture will have involved having to burn something plus the use of some noxious chemicals. Clearly, the glass will have required a fire of some sort. The bricks and roof tiles will have required burning something in their manufacture. The cement used for concrete and mortar definitely involves burning something - I could quote figures but this wouldn't be in the spirit you asked for.
The noise of a car goes past, and I'm pretty certain that these will have required something to be burnt during the process of making them, either to melt the metal or to create the electricity needed. The car probably burns a fuel to keep it on motion.
Last night, someone obviously had a barbecue and I'm reminded that most foodstuff that I eat will have involved burning something. I estimate that the barbecue was a hundred yards away, and yet the smell of it was noticed by me, and I reflect on the argument made that "we" only occupy 1% of the planet and that this presumably implies that 99% will not be affected by us. Observable nonsense.
I recall how every year around the start of Novemeber, there is usually a morning after the night before where the air is hazy and whiffy of bonfires and firework chemicals. I reflect that the amount of stuff "we" burn 24/7, 365 days of the year, is way more than this, and yet the argument is that this is miniscule.
I recall a tragedy around 20 years ago in which the driver of a minibus carrying a family to the airport made a fraction of a second miscalculation, which led to carnage for the family and pretty much gridlock for commuter traffic for hours. And yet, the argument is that our everyday actions is really negligible and won't cause anything catastophic. Seems a foolish gamble.
I could go on, but you get the picture. Observable events, with an attempt to apply logic. I again refer you to my post 45 which, OGF, I notice you haven't made reference to nor try to dispute the reasoning behind it.
Excellent and informative response Dex, thanks for taking the time to reply, and I'm sorry for the lack of response to an earlier post but I was embarking on a new challenge yesterday and couldn't give the forum the attention it deserved....
I don't know why you have a lack of birds etc where you are Dex, they seem to have come to South Yorkshire this spring although there are certain times of the day when it does go quiet. I've noticed that at such times there are usually birds of prey circling high overhead, we get a few Kestrels, Sparrow Hawks and even Red Kites.
You mention uPVC window frames, bricks, cement and roof tiles and the fact that they all required heat. 'Burning Something' you mentioned. If the sun didn't 'Burn something' none of us would be here. Apart from local pollution the sun is totally responsible for our climate and survival. Unfortunately the human race can only survive in small window of temperature, therefore it has been, and always will be, necessary to burn something to keep warm in cold climates and burn something to produce electricity to provide aircon in hot climates.
There are always at least 30 odd active volcanoes burning something and depositing nasty things into the upper atmosphere each day. They make man's burning miniscule by comparison. But even man has so far to date tested over four thousand nuclear devices around the world which again makes our everyday burning of things tiny by comparison. I agree that on bonfire night we produce locally lots of pollution, but how long does it remain before the earth's own cleaning mechanisms have dispersed it.
Burning is an important part of nature, it's natures way of clearing out the dead wood and promoting new growth. There are even certain seeds that lay dormant in the ground until a certain temperature is reached from burning, that sparks life into that seed. Burning changes one form of energy into another, and if you are a man of science you will know that energy is never lost, it just changes it's form.
I think you know why I quoted Newton's third law Dex, but you were quick to show this secondary school educated lad how much more intelligent you are by quoting his first and second laws...
Just in case you didn't catch the link. It was to point out that by trying to affect the climate may bring on unexpected events like in the past when the use of DDT did it's job perfectly, in fact too good, and in Todgers own words 'Made a sterile countryside' fortunately we learned our lesson, but it seemed a good idea at the time....
Wood Dex? Are you not part of the problem sitting in your timber shed? Think of all the timber present in your house and garden, where do you suppose all that came from? Nothing to do with burning but quite unsustainable even though you say it is. I can't find anything in your post that explains about the way the world is being destroyed, perhaps our environment is changing, but not being destroyed is it. You can go out into the country or your garden and breathe fresh clean air, unless you are living in a town centre, in which case it would explain the lack of birds song.
I fail to see where a mini bus accident has anything to do with man made climate change Dex?
Sometimes being too logical takes your eye off the ball and the bigger picture...You fail to believe the things that you're senses are telling you in the real world. Not everything appears in statistics and links to some website or other, but keeping an open mind is the real wisdom......