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01-12-2015, 07:05 PM
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Re: Syria conflict; how would you vote.

Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->
For Mark.

I received this from my Sister.

A briefing document on Syria…...


President Assad (who is bad) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people
rebelled and the Rebels (who are good) started winning.

But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic
State (who are definitely bad) and some continued to support democracy (who
are still good).

So the Americans (who are good) started bombing Islamic State (who are bad)
and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels (who are good) so they could fight
Assad (who is still bad) which was good.

By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who
want to fight IS (which is a good thing) but the Turkish authorities think
they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking
they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is
another matter.

Getting back to Syria. President Putin (bad, as he invaded Crimea and the
Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London
with polonium) has decided to back Assad (who is still bad) by attacking IS
(who are also bad) which is sort of a good thing?

But Putin (still bad) thinks the Syrian Rebels (who are good) are also bad,
and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans (who are
good) who are busy backing and arming the rebels (who are also good).

Now Iran (who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any
nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good) are going to provide ground
troops to support Assad (still bad) as are the Russians (bad) who now have
ground troops and aircraft in Syria.

So a Coalition of Assad (still bad) Putin (extra bad) and the Iranians
(good, but in a bad sort of way) are going to attack IS (who are bad) which
is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels (who are good) which is bad.

Now the British (obviously good, except Corbin who is probably bad) and the
Americans (also good) cannot attack Assad (still bad) for fear of upsetting
Putin (bad) and Iran (good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad
might not be that bad after all compared to IS (who are super bad).

So Assad (bad) is now probably good, being better than IS (no real choice
there) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them
good. America (still good) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being
attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin (now good) and that
mad ayatollah in Iran (also good) and so they may be forced to say that the
Rebels are now bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This
will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS (still
the only constantly bad group).

To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims (Assad and Iran) backed by
Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will
now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and
hence many Muslims will now see IS as good (doh!).

Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in
support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal (might have
a point) and hence we will be seen as bad.

So now we have America (now bad) and Britain (also bad) providing limited
support to Sunni Rebels (bad) many of whom are looking to IS (good / bad)
for support against Assad (now good) who, along with Iran (also good) and
Putin (also, now, unbelievably, good ) are attempting to retake the country
Assad used to run before all this started?

I hope that this clears it all up for you.
Cheers.

Clear as mud.

Bulldoze the place and start anew.
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01-12-2015, 07:23 PM
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Re: Syria conflict; how would you vote.

What a mess it all is, let's hope it doesn't escalate.
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01-12-2015, 07:38 PM
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Re: Syria conflict; how would you vote.

Originally Posted by Alan Cooke ->
What a mess it all is, let's hope it doesn't escalate.
That is exactly what DC wants to do escalate it more.
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01-12-2015, 08:46 PM
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I listened to some young Muslims on the news tonight , they say getting rid of isi will not help because Pres.Assad will still be there and he is bad,and many innocent civilians will be hurt/ killed by the bombing. Some humanitarian aids ,taking aid to civilians in Syria, also said bombing would make their jobs more difficult. I think David Cameron just wants to prove to the rest of the world that heis a caring person ,and Britain will stand by their allies, its a matter of pride to him ,' old school boys together ' mentality
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01-12-2015, 08:52 PM
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I would love to say that we should keep out of it, but

(a) If nothing is done to get rid of ISIS, they will just grow and expand their influence. To such a point that the only way to stop them will become nuclear warfare, where no-one can win.

(b) Sadly, it is now a fact of life that if the UK ever comes under a major attack, we are no longer able to look after ourselves, and would have to get help from NATO and the USA. The same people who are now requesting that we join them in Syria.

Hobson's Choice.

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02-12-2015, 12:29 AM
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Re: Syria conflict; how would you vote.

Originally Posted by Wrinkly ->
That is exactly what DC wants to do escalate it more.
Makes you wonder what DC's true motives are in all this. A genuine perhaps misguided attempt to appear to do `the right thing` or trying to do what Thatcher did with the Falklands to boost his image abroad and at home?
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02-12-2015, 02:52 AM
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Re: Syria conflict; how would you vote.

Great stuff, Joe.
It really does show just how complex this whole mess is -
and how unlikely it is that there will ever be a solution.
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02-12-2015, 06:13 AM
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Re: Syria conflict; how would you vote.

Two years ago a decision was made in Parliament not to bomb Syria.
If indeed a decision is made to bomb in Syria now, it will be a decision made not by David Cameron but a decision made by Parliament. This is as it should be and not how it was the ,last time the Labour party was in government.
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02-12-2015, 08:14 AM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...6pLid%3D407430


PROUD TO BE A CAMERON TERRORIST!!!
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02-12-2015, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Judd ->
Makes you wonder what DC's true motives are in all this.
If the present crisis in Syria is resolved by other nations with no British involvement then we would have no say in what will happen after those hostilities are over and those other nations would divide up the 'spoils of war' between them and our nation would lose out economically.
 
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