10-04-2021, 10:52 AM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by Tedc
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I think that the relevant fact, in all that's said, in this topic, should be that the war was only going to be won after all of the allied countries joined together and supported each other in the effort.Watching the movies, reading the books, all created since, does not a lot to help with understanding that.
I'm proud that Britain got involved early.
Had we not done so, virtually all of Europe would now be Nazi!
A touch of gratitude, coming our way, would be nice!
10-04-2021, 11:06 AM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by Lindyloo
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Ungrateful? How grateful should we be for things we were paid for................and the English were starving before those paid for foodstuffs arrived. This is a matter of historical fact. I'd just like to point that out. In fact I believe we didn't complete paying until fairly recent years.
If the Americans had seen us as their friends and allies across the ocean, they surely would have helped to support us in our hour of need............and that wasn't the case!
Until the mid WW2 period, The British Empire was sweating and oppressing a half billion Asiatics. Those in power in the U.K didn't give a rats arse about the starving Asians of India. Much of The British Empires wealth came directly from the oppression of India.
One might well ask, why the U.S. should have GIVEN, free of charge, goods, and services, AND at the same time sacrifice the lives of American merchant marines which were being sunk by U-boats. ?
It seems to me that you are saying "America should have given us free food , while at the same time we keep all of our gold".
Sorry to say this but the days of The British Empire, and gun-boat diplomacy are long passed. Get used to it.
10-04-2021, 11:07 AM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by lindyloo
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we paid the usa to help us..........and we're still paying. Why do you think they have american army bases here? The uk was starving - virtually blockaded by uboats yet america insisted we pay in gold before they helped!!!
America's full participation didn't come until after pearl harbour. We do not owe america any thanks - and they did not win the the war!
10-04-2021, 11:12 AM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by tedc
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i think that the relevant fact, in all that's said, in this topic, should be that the war was only going to be won after all of the allied countries joined together and supported each other in the effort.Watching the movies, reading the books, all created since, does not a lot to help with understanding that.
I'm proud that britain got involved early.
Had we not done so, virtually all of europe would now be nazi!
A touch of gratitude, coming our way, would be nice!
10-04-2021, 11:26 AM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by bakerman
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Because you are pressing the issue, perhaps I should point out that The British Empire was an incredibly wealthy economic concern. Americans of the mid-20 century well remember that England tried to turn Americans into economic slaves to the benefit of England .(1700's onward) Until the mid WW2 period, The British Empire was sweating and oppressing a half billion Asiatics. Those in power in the U.K didn't give a rats arse about the starving Asians of India. Much of The British Empires wealth came directly from the oppression of India. One might well ask, why the U.S. should have GIVEN, free of charge, goods, and services, AND at the same time sacrifice the lives of American merchant marines which were being sunk by U-boats. ?
It seems to me that you are saying "America should have given us free food , while at the same time we keep all of our gold".
Sorry to say this but the days of The British Empire, and gun-boat diplomacy are long passed. Get used to it.
10-04-2021, 11:57 AM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by RJG
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The British Empire was a DISGRACE, I am so glad we no longer have one. The way it was achieved was evil.
Oh, you naughty British!
And why does everyone, at the same time, conveniently forget the Spanish Empire and the Ottoman Empire, and to a much more limited extent, even the French 'Empire'?
Much more trendy to condemn the British, of course.
10-04-2021, 12:08 PM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by RJG
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The British Empire was a DISGRACE, I am so glad we no longer have one. The way it was achieved was evil.
10-04-2021, 12:12 PM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by bakerman
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Because you are pressing the issue, perhaps I should point out that The British Empire was an incredibly wealthy economic concern. Americans of the mid-20 century well remembered that England tried to turn Americans into economic slaves to the benefit of England .(1700's onward) Moreover, England declared war on America , not just once, but twice: 1776 and again in 1812.Until the mid WW2 period, The British Empire was sweating and oppressing a half billion Asiatics. Those in power in the U.K didn't give a rats arse about the starving Asians of India. Much of The British Empires wealth came directly from the oppression of India.
One might well ask, why the U.S. should have GIVEN, free of charge, goods, and services, AND at the same time sacrifice the lives of American merchant marines which were being sunk by U-boats. ?
It seems to me that you are saying "America should have given us free food , while at the same time we keep all of our gold".
Sorry to say this but the days of The British Empire, and gun-boat diplomacy are long passed. Get used to it.
Care to compare and contrast the British Empire with the American Empire today?
Thought not.
10-04-2021, 12:30 PM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by Lindyloo
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Well put TedC. Thanks.
It's not comforting to remember that Our Government had to get down on it's knees to beg for assistance in a European war in which certain groups were being gassed if they were deemed to be "not worthy".
We're grateful for the help of the Commonwealth Countries, and others who came to the assistance.
Not all had to be bribed to do so.
10-04-2021, 12:32 PM
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Re: World War II
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Care to compare and contrast the British Empire with the American Empire today? Thought not.
Heaven forbid!
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