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That is just not what happens.

I see you're still struggling to get a handle on all this Annie.

Instead of trying to twist reality to fit your prejudice why not analyse the reality and form a measured point of view.

Somehow I don't think you are capable of that.

What are you scared of?

Admitting you have been wrong all along , perhaps?


^^^ this
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They are enacting what the people want because the country is divided. It's like when you vote a party into power and then what they had in their manifesto is debated by the whole house which represents everyone not just those who voted for the party in power.
So explain to me, please, what should happen after a general election.

Let's say that 52% of the electorate vote for Party A, and 48% vote for Party B. By convention, the winning party - A - forms the next government for a period of five years.

Is it normal, then, for Party A to enact its own manifesto promises, or is it also obliged to enact those of Party B?

Just to please everybody, of course, eh?

Yes, the two parties will debate any motions, but at the end of the day, the party with the most seats in Parliament can, if they agree to do so amongst themselves, carry the motions discussed.
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My understanding is that there is a manifesto which the parties use to sell themselves before the election. The party in power then has to decide when to implement these manifesto promises. The changes usually require changes in legislation which have to be passed by Parliament. Some manifesto promises are never seen again. Others end up kicked into the long grass during the process.
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06-04-2019, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
My understanding is that there is a manifesto which the parties use to sell themselves before the election. The party in power then has to decide when to implement these manifesto promises. The changes usually require changes in legislation which have to be passed by Parliament. Some manifesto promises are never seen again. Others end up kicked into the long grass during the process.
The majority party are in power normally Annie,
They have more seats
ERGO,they can pass anything proposed in the house, Annie
Any way they see fit.
How come an intelligent person like yourself does'nt get
this simple concept
The xception to this is a hung parliament Annie

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06-04-2019, 04:38 PM
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The majority party are in power normally Annie,
They have more seats
[B][ ERGO,they can pass anything proposed in the house, /B] Annie
Any way they see fit.
How come an intelligent person like yourself does'nt get
this simple concept
The xception to this is a hung parliament Annie

Regards Donkeyman
Not if some of their own party members disagree. In this case we also have a coalition which has complicated everything. Not the first time we have had a coalition in recent years. It dilutes the power of the main party.

Then there is the House of Lords.
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So Theresa May, the scumbag 'nasty party' Prime Minister, abandoned by large sections of her own party has been forced to plead for her survival to the Labour Party.


https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/04/0...romise-on-bot/
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So Theresa May, the scumbag 'nasty party' Prime Minister, abandoned by large sections of her own party has been forced to plead for her survival to the Labour Party.


https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/04/0...romise-on-bot/
They are both dead meat anyway. Just talk a few steps out of London and ask people if they think either of them are doing a good job of getting the UK out of the EU.
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I think May is only consulting Corbyn so she has someone to blame. Whatever he suggests and she agrees to change is going to be the reason for any failure.
She can't be trusted and won't except anything she does is wrong.
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In a true democracy, our representatives in Parliament would enact what the people want, not what they want themselves.
Wrong - that would make them delegates.
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Copy of the letter by Mark Francois, sent to the Executive of the 1922 Committee today.

QUOTE

8th April 2019.

Dear Sir Graham,

Enough is enough! If she goes by Wednesday, we can Leave on Friday.

I am writing to you in a personal capacity, to express my sincere belief that Theresa May should now resign as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. If she will not do this, then I must ask that you and your colleagues on the Executive of the 1922 Committee establish an informal “*Indicative Vote” of confidence in the Prime Minister, immediately prior to this Wednesday’s meeting of the Committee, so that colleagues have an opportunity to demonstrate that they have lost faith in her leadership. My reasons for asking this of you, relate both to the existential future of our Party and the destiny of our Country and they are given below.

In short, we are living in a world gone mad. A Conservative Prime Minister, who voted to Remain, egged on by a coterie of neo-Federalist Civil Servants and a powerful Remainiac cabal in the Cabinet, has tried, - and failed three times - to pass a Draft Treaty through the House of Commons which would lock us into a Customs Union forever. Meanwhile, two Tory Privy Councillors, who have now been effectively disowned by their own local Associations, openly connive with two Senior Labour Select Committee Chairmen, to ram a highly contentious Bill, deliberately designed to frustrate Brexit, through the House of Commons in under four hours, by literally one vote. All this flies directly in the face of the democratic decision of 17.4 million UK citizens to leave the European Union. It even resulted in a heroic filibuster in the House of Lords on Thursday by some 50 unelected, but mainly Tory Peers, fighting to preserve our democracy, as undermined by the elected House.

Meanwhile, in a situation where any concept of collective responsibility disintegrated weeks ago, the so-called “Eurosceptics” in the Cabinet do absolutely nothing (save consume vast quantities of pizza). Riven by personal ambitions, they keep their heads firmly below the parapet, many of them hoping that by “sitting out” this great battle for the destiny of our Country, they will somehow inherit the crown. They won’t. This is because, as a rule of thumb, MPs, let alone our Party Members, do not generally vote for those they no longer respect.

So, Sir Graham, having been totally let down by our own “Officer Class” in the Cabinet, who continue to cower back at the Chateau, it now clearly falls to the “poor bloody infantry” of the Conservative backbenches - and specifically the Executive of the 1922 Committee - to prevent us being forced into a Customs Union with Labour support, which is completely at variance with the Manifesto on which we stood.

UNQUOTE.

Oh well, it’s a pity the ERG didn’t hold fire with their original Vote of Confidence, if taken now she would be gone!
 
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