Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

a mis-quote 99.999% would never use that excuse - but it still could be true!

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

Of course it is true, many say their excuse was that "I had the devil in me" as an excuse for a wrong doing.

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

Exactly! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

.....also, does anyone else have to wear rubber-soled shoes if they go into a church?

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

Twiz .......You do make me larf - thank God for you - I say

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

UJ - just fab - you little devil ......

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

What about Morgoth and Sauron aided by the orcs, the nazgul and the balrog - and who could leave out that skinny little scroat Golam - about time he got some clothes on

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

Not sure the church still believes in the devil but maybe there have been numerous 'devils' running the church. Am I allowed to say that?

I'm constantly amazed to see the number of churches in tiny welsh villages. I run a lot and end up on back roads and come across these churches more or less hidden away now. What really sticks in my craw is the size of these buildings and the area of ground they occupy. Imposing structures built in areas where money was very short but it seems no expense was spared.

The 'devil' must have been all consuming at one time to little welsh village parishioners else where would all the dosh have come from?

Though thinking about it I don't suppose many church goers question (ed) the existence of any greater being but simply go (went) along as is (was) expected of them. Welsh sheep comes to mind.

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

started off well but then finished with drivel - never mind there more around here. I do think you do a dis-service to your own countrymen/women and the history of the proud welsh people. The Welsh as you well know are renowned and proud of their church focused choirs. I also did some hill walking some years back in Wales and found similiar structures you describe. For me it was a feeling of sadness that these beautifully constructed churches [I they were not the size of cathedrals] were often neglected and unused. Why simply because most of the population had moved away. But I personally feel sure that they were built with ready available materials from around the countryside and therefore not expensive but even more significantly built with love for each other and their God.

Suggesting that your own folk simply went to church as sheep are herded into a pen is insulting and demeaning and drivel!

Re: Does the ‘church' still believe in the devil?

I'm afraid my thoughts on this are not confined to my 'own folk' but ALL. As you can obviously make out I'm an atheist. I can also remember the times when I was forced to attend these incredibly boring episodes at our local church. Practically all of those attending did so out of a sense of obligation and not anything else. No 'love of God' overwhelmed them that is certain.

Pretty sure that religion will take more of a back seat in our lives as time goes by. Just take a look at the empty churches all around us now. I hope this extends everywhere and to every country as it should deminish all the atrocities commited by the crazed religious fanatics out there.

Still, people who DO believe in 'God' seem to be all the more happy for it so no doubt people like me are the ones losing out.

End of drivel...hopefully...