03-02-2021, 11:51 PM
21
Re: Cladding in parliament today!!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
->
We need to know who the decision makers were regarding the choice of the material and then what checks and balances were in place, by whom, and then when. Then who changed the changes in specs for the material, and a whole lot more that at this stage is not known. It's why I've been hanging on about the cause of the Grenfell Barbeque being systemic rather than a single error be it accidental or deliberate. Only when the collection of reports have been assembled together will why Grenfell took to toasting start to emerge.
It's becoming boring !!
Donkeyman! 😴😴
04-02-2021, 12:37 AM
22
Re: Cladding in parliament today!!
Originally Posted by Dodge
->
This is very true. The public inquiry is still on going but it is being hampered by expert witnesses who are refusing to testify at the inquiry either because they fear repercussions if the public inquiry recommends it goes to court or they are being told not to co-operate by their bosses. Also all the companies involved, their lawyers are telling them not to co-operate, only give the basic bare minimum because if goes to court, any thing in the inquiry can be used in a court case.
anything, they are directors and senior managers that have been
skulking in Europe to avoid being called as witnessess !!
Regarding faulty fire escapes ,Grenfell and most other high rise
blocks have never had them as it is thought that they create more
danger than any fire ! And indeed in grenfells case this was so, as
the fire engulfed the the building on the OUTSIDE first and gained
ingress via the windows, so any fire escape on the exterior would
have been useless ??
It is true that many things were at fault with the
building and the safety arrangements but it cannot be denied that
if the cladding had not been present, then the small kitchen fire
that started it would have been , and indeed WAS, extinguished by
the fire brigade inside the building, but by then that whole corner
of the tower was ablaze externally !!
So it must be said that the PRIMARY cause of the disaster was the
cladding !! All other factors are only contributory!!
The fact that the cladding fire tests were falsified to obtain a pass
mark for planning permission makes this a criminal case imo ??
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
04-02-2021, 04:29 PM
23
Re: Cladding in parliament today!!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
->
The witnessess l am talking about Dodge are not experts at anything, they are directors and senior managers that have been
skulking in Europe to avoid being called as witnessess !!
Regarding faulty fire escapes ,Grenfell and most other high rise
blocks have never had them as it is thought that they create more
danger than any fire ! And indeed in grenfells case this was so, as
the fire engulfed the the building on the OUTSIDE first and gained
ingress via the windows, so any fire escape on the exterior would
have been useless ??
It is true that many things were at fault with the
building and the safety arrangements but it cannot be denied that
if the cladding had not been present, then the small kitchen fire
that started it would have been , and indeed WAS, extinguished by
the fire brigade inside the building, but by then that whole corner
of the tower was ablaze externally !!
So it must be said that the PRIMARY cause of the disaster was the
cladding !! All other factors are only contributory!!
The fact that the cladding fire tests were falsified to obtain a pass
mark for planning permission makes this a criminal case imo ??
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
04-02-2021, 05:29 PM
24
Re: Cladding in parliament today!!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
->
Sorry, you are wrong. The cladding was the fuel. How the cladding was chosen and installed is a factor on the way to focusing in on the cause but even then it is only a significant factor. However it is still not the definitive root cause, that's why I bang on about a systemic failure that is the root cause.
If the cladding had not been present, would the concrete building
have ignited spontaneously???
Answer. YES or NO please ??
Donkeyman! 🙏🙏
04-02-2021, 05:43 PM
25
Re: Cladding in parliament today!!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
->
Just answer this question todge ?If the cladding had not been present, would the concrete building
have ignited spontaneously???
Answer. YES or NO please ??
Donkeyman! 🙏🙏
Well no - but that was just too good an opportunity to just let go!
But really the answer is of course no because the fuel would not have been in place.
However the fuel didn't start the fire. Had there have been no source of ignition although the cladding would have been a POTENTIAL hazard there was no actual hazard and if the decisions that had been taken to move away from the architects spec'd material a whole different outcome might have been possible.
04-02-2021, 09:38 PM
26
Re: Cladding in parliament today!!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
->
YES! Well no - but that was just too good an opportunity to just let go!
But really the answer is of course no because the fuel would not have been in place.
However the fuel didn't start the fire. Had there have been no source of ignition although the cladding would have been a POTENTIAL hazard there was no actual hazard and if the decisions that had been taken to move away from the architects spec'd material a whole different outcome might have been possible.
Donkeyman! 🖕🖕
|
|
