02-09-2019, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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They can't. What they can do is legislate to make the pm go ask the EU for an extension. The EU will only do that for a reason, to let the UK have a referendum or GE.
02-09-2019, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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I'm not living in one of your constituents so no mp to inform. Civil servants are forbidden to inform mps because that is deemed leaking.
recently so l am unsure who represents me now!
However l dont think you talking to one of your alleged
contacts in hoc counts as a leak as to my knowledge a
bucket leaks to the outside NOT inwards?
Regards Donkeyman!
02-09-2019, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Thank you so we are leaving whatever they do, Good news for all sides IMO this arguing has to stop and people have to calm down.
02-09-2019, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Sorry julie, but that is not what I meant. They don't want to leave with no deal. They cannot stop boris from heading for that, and therefore they have to resort to other means. The only sure way to avoid crashing out with no deal, without ratifying the withdrawal deal, is staying in the EU. If the house gets frightened enough about the consequences of a no deal exit, they can vote to withdraw article 50. The time to do so is until 23.59 h. October 31 (european time)
Watching people protesting now I think last thing they should do for safety of everyone, is withdraw article 50. If they did that they risk leavers and remainers being on the streets and I for one don't want to see people get hurt when that happens.
02-09-2019, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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But it's not with no deal, that's what people want us to think it's with a WTO deal. IMO we should have done that 3 years ago and then negotiated. We would have avoided all the nastiness between the eu and uk and stopped all this arguing on forums and now protests in the streets. .
countries to go further and seek preferential access and the tackling of issues inadequately covered
through WTO rules. This may undermine, to a degree, the multilateral system, but this has been the
direction of travel for some years. In this situation, the UK will want to seek, as other members do,
the closest relationship possible with the EU given political constraints. No deal Brexit is clearly an
unsatisfactory solution and falling back on WTO terms suboptimal politically, economically and socially.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/new-report-exp...ms-would-mean/
02-09-2019, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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WTO terms provide a basic floor for world trade. However, their inadequacies provide incentives for countries to go further and seek preferential access and the tackling of issues inadequately covered
through WTO rules. This may undermine, to a degree, the multilateral system, but this has been the
direction of travel for some years. In this situation, the UK will want to seek, as other members do,
the closest relationship possible with the EU given political constraints. No deal Brexit is clearly an
unsatisfactory solution and falling back on WTO terms suboptimal politically, economically and socially.
The EU trades with the 2 biggest economies in the world (China and USA) on WTO terms.
Stop talking out of your arse - the WTO has around 170 members and more of those WTO members trade with the EU on WTO terms than the EU trades with its FTA agreements.
02-09-2019, 04:13 PM
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Remainers seem to think that we would be stuck on WTO rules forever, but they are just a default setting until a trade deal is signed.Elsewhere, I’m hearing on the news that a cabinet meeting is imminent, and that an election is on its way. IMO we were always heading for an election anyway, but things have been moving quickly the last few days.
02-09-2019, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Patriot1967
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Remainers seem to think that we would be stuck on WTO rules forever, but they are just a default setting until a trade deal is signed.
02-09-2019, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Patriot1967
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Remainers seem to think that we would be stuck on WTO rules forever, but they are just a default setting until a trade deal is signed.Elsewhere, I’m hearing on the news that a cabinet meeting is imminent, and that an election is on its way. IMO we were always heading for an election anyway, but things have been moving quickly the last few days.
02-09-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Exactly WTO means we can then work towards a deal with whoever we like. It should be easier as we aren't in this continual war of words too.And because we are out remainers can calm down and leavers will be happier. win win.
● It’s often said we trade with the US on WTO terms. In reality, we have more than 100 separate bilateral agreements with them
● WTO terms are relatively comprehensive on goods but far less so on services-( 45% of UK exports). Barriers to trade in services in particular will increase substantially under WTO terms
● If we traded under WTO terms, barriers would be inevitable between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland
● The UK would also lose the free trade agreements the EU has signed with other countries
● Gains from a zero-tariff policy would be nil or limited for more than half of the goods the UK imports
● The UK is already a member of the WTO so would not have to apply, although it will have to re-negotiate its commitments.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/new-report-exp...ms-would-mean/
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