27-08-2018, 10:08 AM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by Muddy
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Hello earth to DevoThe prison system is not exactly well known for rehabilitation more likely drugs and violence .
We all know their suffering from something that's why they can't be rehabilitated and for heinous crimes such as murder must be humanely put down they are of no value to society.
Who wants a 'rehabilitated ' serial murderer or child killer roaming unknown in the country ?
Rehabilitation money better spent on INNOCENT members of the said society.
27-08-2018, 10:54 AM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by Devo
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According to Wikipedia, there are 75 prisoners with whole life tariffs in the UK. That is, 75 people deemed incapable of rehabilitation. That means the others can be. The only things preventing it are resourcing and the tabloid press. The Mary Bell murders re a good example here. She killed two children as a child, the story being well documented and easily read about on the internet if you've forgotten it, it's all quite chilling. She is now in her 60s and has lived free for most of her adult life, the only problem being when a tabloid managed to trace her, forcing her and her daughter to flee. Given the nature of the crimes, many would have thought rehabilitation unlikely and would happily have seen the child hanged.
27-08-2018, 11:40 AM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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She had no rig ht to take away the life of two innocent children and should have paid the ultimate price.....A life for a life!
On the one hand, how easy it is to brush aside the fact that two innocent children's lives were snuffed out by a 10-year old little girl! It's incredulous to even think about it, never mind admit that it is true. At our age, we can still remember the name of Mary Bell, but who can honestly say they can remember the names of the two little children she killed?
When the brutal slaying of little Jamie Bulger happened, everyone, regardless of how young those two killers were, at the time, felt like stringing them up! but think about it? Mary Bell was a little girl acting on her own. Who on earth would want to hang a little girl aged 10?, but so heinous was her crime that she should never have been released. By doing so, it was as good as saying she had been forgiven for killing two innocent children.
Again, if, as someone says, it must have been due to Mental Illness, how the hell was she ever released? and why? Who decided that a double killer was ever safe to walk our streets again?
My personal view is that whenever a convicted killer is released to walk among us again, someone should take full responsibility for making such a decision. If they kill again, that person should stand next to them in front of a jury, because they are just as guilty!
There is too much "Lessons will be learnt" get out clauses used today. In my view, if those responsible for allowing killers to be set free again in the first place knew that if they killed again and they would be held fully accountable, maybe we wouldn't have these idiots being so keen to let them out.
27-08-2018, 12:25 PM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by John leave
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Peter Hitchens is a plank can`t stand the man.
Must do better!
27-08-2018, 01:25 PM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by Devo
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According to Wikipedia, there are 75 prisoners with whole life tariffs in the UK. That is, 75 people deemed incapable of rehabilitation. That means the others can be. The only things preventing it are resourcing and the tabloid press. The Mary Bell murders re a good example here. She killed two children as a child, the story being well documented and easily read about on the internet if you've forgotten it, it's all quite chilling. She is now in her 60s and has lived free for most of her adult life, the only problem being when a tabloid managed to trace her, forcing her and her daughter to flee. Given the nature of the crimes, many would have thought rehabilitation unlikely and would happily have seen the child hanged.
27-08-2018, 04:00 PM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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She had no right to take away the life of two innocent children and should have paid the ultimate price.....A life for a life!
That would certainly fit in with my preferential system of punishment: poetic justice.
It makes a great deal of sense. Who in their right mind would commit any personal attack in the knowledge that, if caught, they'd suffer exactly the same treatment in return?
27-08-2018, 04:10 PM
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Re: Peter Hitchens on the Failures of Crime and Punishment Policies
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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My personal view is that whenever a convicted killer is released to walk among us again, someone should take full responsibility for making such a decision. If they kill again, that person should stand next to them in front of a jury, because they are just as guilty!
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