12-10-2014, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Losos
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Absolutely 
the word is bandied around so much these days and often in completely the wrong context.Have to go now Patsy, one of my 'duties' is to feed the hound
Tonight the little darling is having a turkey wing, some boiled rice with carrots and scrambled egg, a few chicken necks, and she does have granules as well because the maker claims that all the necessary vitamins and supplements are inlcluded, but being the aristocratic Newfoundland that she is, she usually leaves them Ooops, that's 'off topic' sorry folks
So many good wishes to you with the move Harvey, sounds perfect
12-10-2014, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by stevmk2
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That's what bothers me too Patsy.You can't express concern for your country or some element these days without someone, somewhere labelling you a racist! stevmk2
12-10-2014, 05:41 PM
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"Greatest"? - I would not have described it as great, it was shameful.Thank goodness this is only an over 50s forum where racism and intolerance are still evidently rife. Younger people in schools and universities seem to be far more tolerant, have a greater social awareness and are rarely racist, believe in inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness - thankfully they are the future not us.
I'm horrified that my contemporaries could refer to Enoch Powell's speech as anything other than what it was, the deluded nonsense of misguided a moron. I feel affronted and embarrassed to read glorification of a xenophobe such as Enoch Powell
Originally Posted by seacroft
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Enoch Powell made his perhaps greatest speech in Birmingham which he called " The Birmingham Speech " but the media dubbed " The Rivers Of Blood Speech " He was hated by the left do gooders at the time and was also asked and did appear on the " Frost Report " tv show where he wiped the floor with David Frost.( one of the very few who ever did )
I remember it very well and now his predictions are with us if only the powers that were in charge had taken action then.
The trade unions in particular disliked his views but surprise surprise now they complain of immigrants taking their members jobs.
12-10-2014, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Baxter8
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"Greatest"? - I would not have described it as great, it was shameful. Thank goodness this is only an over 50s forum where racism and intolerance are still evidently rife. Younger people in schools and universities seem to be far more tolerant, have a greater social awareness and are rarely racist, believe in inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness - thankfully they are the future not us.
I'm horrified that my contemporaries could refer to Enoch Powell's speech as anything other than what it was, the deluded nonsense of misguided a moron. I feel affronted and embarrassed to read glorification of a xenophobe such as Enoch Powell
12-10-2014, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Baxter8
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"Greatest"? - I would not have described it as great, it was shameful. Thank goodness this is only an over 50s forum where racism and intolerance are still evidently rife. Younger people in schools and universities seem to be far more tolerant, have a greater social awareness and are rarely racist, believe in inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness - thankfully they are the future not us.
I'm horrified that my contemporaries could refer to Enoch Powell's speech as anything other than what it was, the deluded nonsense of misguided a moron. I feel affronted and embarrassed to read glorification of a xenophobe such as Enoch Powell
My position is this: whilst it is hard to deny that there are great rewards to be gained from controlled immigration, it is also hard to deny that there are also great downsides to the type of uncontrolled mass immigration that has occurred over the last few years. There is no wonder that UKIP is doing so well in the polls now, as every main stream politician of virtually every persuasion has denigrated the notion that immigration is anything but a good thing and dismissed any other viewpoint as bigotry.
In reality immigration is not all to the good, as is evidenced in the overwhelming of our education, health and housing sectors. Also much of the immigration in recent years has also been of low skilled manual workers who not only fill vacancies traditionally filled by our young people as their first job, but also degrade wages generally because of over supply and was the biggest betrayal of the working man by a Labour government.
Enoch Powell may have worded his speech badly and may have alienated many through that, but he could certainly read the writing on the wall much of which is coming to fruition.
12-10-2014, 07:22 PM
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I am curious as to why it is whenever anyone has an opinion that differs from yours you claim to be in some way censored.You make some well considered points. My only issue would be that with your point that:-
" evidenced in the overwhelming of our education, health and housing sectors. Also much of the immigration in recent years has also been of low skilled manual workers who not only fill vacancies traditionally filled by our young people as their first job, but also degrade wages generally because of over supply and was the biggest betrayal of the working man by a Labour government"
I would suggest that this has arisen as a result of a simultaneous capitalist and socialist systems attempting to somehow square the circle. Capitalism cherishes the cheap labour but doesn't ensure that adequate social infrastructure is in place to support the increased lowly paid workforce -and the newly arrived and indigenous workforce suffer. I would even advance that competition between workers is a attribute that capitalism enjoys and activey fosters.
Anyway that's obviously a matter for another thread.
Originally Posted by plantman
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This is exactly the attitude that millions of us common folk rebel against, where all or any discussion of immigration on any level is labelled "racist" or of a "misguided moron" just to close down any debate or dissention toward the subject.My position is this: whilst it is hard to deny that there are great rewards to be gained from controlled immigration, it is also hard to deny that there are also great downsides to the type of uncontrolled mass immigration that has occurred over the last few years. There is no wonder that UKIP is doing so well in the polls now, as every main stream politician of virtually every persuasion has denigrated the notion that immigration is anything but a good thing and dismissed any other viewpoint as bigotry.
In reality immigration is not all to the good, as is evidenced in the overwhelming of our education, health and housing sectors. Also much of the immigration in recent years has also been of low skilled manual workers who not only fill vacancies traditionally filled by our young people as their first job, but also degrade wages generally because of over supply and was the biggest betrayal of the working man by a Labour government.
Enoch Powell may have worded his speech badly and may have alienated many through that, but he could certainly read the writing on the wall much of which is coming to fruition.
12-10-2014, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by seacroft
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did appear on the " Frost Report " tv show where he wiped the floor with David Frost.( one of the very few who ever did )
It is still imprinted in my mind.
Frost tried always and anyways to prove this speech was racist, Powell gave a defence, at the end of the Hour program Frost was squirming as Powell had answered him wiped the floor with him, at the end of the program Frost and announced...stay tuned we will ASK this to be carried on after the NEWS( It was live) Which was granted and still with the extended program Frost never got the better of Powell.
Frost owned the Copyrights to the Frost Reports, its been reported that this program was destroyed.
PS Mick B very very good post by you.
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