Re: Breaking - Joe Biden wins US presidential election
Originally Posted by
Zaphod
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Um, only the courts can decide whether or not allegations amount to proof so until that happens (if indeed it happens) what you ask for is impossible to provide.
It's not for me (or you) to say fraud has or has not happened, but from past experience you can't deny that it is likely.
All that remains is how much fraud there has been this time around - if it ever gets investigated, of course.
But here is proof from your own country of known and prosecuted cases, proving that it does happen.
You might like to note that the foreword says this:
"The United States has a long and unfortunate history of election fraud."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whi...fraudcases.pdf
1st, I never suggested that some small cases of voter fraud has not/does not exist in the U.S. Every educated person knows full well that has happened throughout history.
2nd, the larger question is this, 'Did voter fraud happen on a massive scale which would be enough to tilt an election in favor of any particular candidate ?'
3rd, I have no doubt, what-so-ever, that some pro-Trump voters voted twice, as well as Biden voters. The same applies to cases of "dead people" voting. It is quite clear that some folks have gotten ahold of ballots for the recently dead, forged a signature and mailed that ballot in.
4th, THE LIST OF CASES YOU POSTED ARE CASES OF INDIVIDUAL VOTERS AND NOT CASES WHERE SOMEONE/SOME GROUP HAS SENT IN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PHONEY BALLOTS. TRUMP IS CLAIMING THAT MILLIONS OF PHONEY BALLOTS WERE SENT IN. THAT IS ABSURD ON THE FACE OF IT, AND NO TRUMP ATTORNEY HAS YET TO SHOW EVIDENCE OF EVEN A DOZEN PHONEY BALLOTS.
5th, Recent history has demonstrated that certain minority groups have failed vote en mass. Thus, a massive "get out the vote" was launched and mail in ballot voting was started. example: in the 2000 presidential campaign (Bush Vs. Gore) Bush won Florida and the NATIONAL election by a slim margin. That year well over 250,000 Florida black voters, failed to vote. It is well established that black voters overwhelmingly vote democratic. Had those voters actually voted in Florida, Gore would have won and history would have taken a dramatic turn.
In the Pennsylvania election, Trump was trying to disenfranchise black voters by disallowing mail-in ballots. The federal court in Pennsylvania essentially told Trumps attorneys that what Trump was trying to do was utter B.S.