Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

Hi

Technically you can make anything safe, but at a cost.

You can introduce as many laws as you want requiring a detailed analysis of the chemicals used and make that public.

So what?

Laws mean nothing and both the Companies involved and the Government know this.

Laws are absolutely useless unless they are enforced by competent people on a regular basis.

The Government has been reducing the funding for enforcement agencies since the Financial Crash.

They are still doing so, less and less Enforcement is taking place across a whole range of activities.

Public Sector wages have been kept down for years, so people are leaving to join the Private Sector.

When the big companies come across a good officer who is giving them trouble on a planning application, they just buy them out, give them a job with a car and £20k a year more, peanuts to them.

It is the same with the officers who enforce against working plants, they leave to work for the people they were enforcing against.

That is the way of the world at the moment.

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

Because it will be energy produced IN THIS country rather than bought in from foreign powers who have our leaders in the palm of their hands. We MUST wrest control back from those foreign powers. Do you not agree?

Energy companies will not drill for oil or gas unless the selling price exceeds the cost of producing it. So long as it is financially viable it can and should be produced, again, because it is energy produced IN THE UK.

This to be fair, is just a list of the scare stories that the media promotes in the anti-fracking space. I will again dispute the water contamination argument. It is not the fracking that causes such problems but accidents on the surface. The Cheasepeake accident cited by Omah was simply caused by a faulty piece of equipment at the surface. Not fracking, just a faulty component supplied to the company. If we are to ban fracking on the basis of faulty components or surface spillages then we must also ban just about every other industry. Oil refineries, all of our garages, our landfills and dumps, most agriculture farming ( fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides). . . the list goes on and on. EVERY one of these industries manages harmful substances that can and do contaminate the water table. Fracking is hyped up as a bad boy, but is in truth no worse than any other industry.

Fracking related tremors are very very low on the Richter scale. Nothing to be concerned about. See this diagram:



The fracking in Lancashire by Cuadrilla caused tremors of 2.3 and 1.4 on that scale.


No of course not but that, as I repeatedly try to explain, is an issue with surface spillages, NOT with fracking itself. So whatever risks you fear are risks associated with just about every other industry. Media sensationalism is the culprit that focuses your attention solely on fracking.

Neither do we have the land room for a nuclear disaster. A Fukashima / Chernobyl style event would decimate most of the UK imo. I'm far more concerned about an accident at Sizewell B in Suffolk than a small tremor from Cuadrilla in Lancashire !

Unfortunately the case for some of those energy sources doesn't stack up. Wind power for example needs a certain level of continuous wind to be cost effective and to cover the significant on-going wear and tear costs.

In the end, the media has deliberately sown scare stories in regards to fracking. Hence people immediately throw up the usual concerns, water table contamination, earthquakes etc. I'm not phased by this nonsense. The foreign energy moguls don't want us to have our own energy sources. They are the pimps and we are the druggies and they want to keep us that way for as long as humanly possible. We need every energy source we can muster.

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

Were you there when the ground shook, though .....


Are you saying that we'll all have to get used to fracking tremors because they're part of the process but nothing to be concerned about .....

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

But do other industries produce millions of gallons of radioactive toxic waste which, in the UK, will have to be transported by hundreds of heavy trucks along unsuitable lanes and minor roads through villages and small towns to processing plants in major conurbations .....


Bearing in mind all the (natural) flooding we've had in the North-West recently, the risk of future flooding coming into contact with locally stored radioactive toxic waste or washing a contaminated truck into a river is considerable .....

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

It just needs firm public opposition:

Energy giant AGL has decided to cut its losses in the troubled coal seam gas sector, announcing that it will end all exploration and production of gas in NSW and Queensland.

The only CSG wells in NSW are in the Piliga run by Santos and they are under a lot of pressure both public and, with the declining cost of energy, financial.

The message is: Get out there on the street and protest.

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

Safe disposal? LOL! Shipping nuclear waste to West Africa and dumping it there isn't "safe". Anyway, being the leaders in anything means nothing if you are contributing to the death of the planet. "We are only responsible for exterminating 5 species of life on this planet while others are responsible for killing twice that amount!" How admirable.

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

Hi

Yet another basic misunderstanding of the reality of life..

Radium is a NORM, a naturally occurring radioactive material.

They should stop Fracking there immediately.

The particular Isotope they found there has a Half Life of 1600 years, so Omah is quite correct, it needs to be stopped and stopped now.

However, drill a few miles away, and no problem at all.

All Fracking is not bad, some is.

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

I couldn't be happier for the people concerned, its a great win for them but it had nothing to do with protests and everything to do with profit.

AGL said a business case for the project "incorporated disappointing gas flow data from the Waukivory Pilot wells and economic modelling of the gas resource".

"Unfortunately, the economic returns to support the investment of approximately $1 billion were not adequate," AGL said in a statement to the Australian Stock Exchange

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

The earth "cracks" beneath the surface and there is no way of controling how far it will crack. There is no "few miles away" that would be safe enough for the nearest town or next-nearest town.

Re: FRACKING - UK Govt trying to push it through!

Hi

You have a basic misunderstanding of Geology.

Please do not post such absolute rubbish again.

Not only is it incorrect , it is pure scaremongering at it's worst.

Simple Scenario, you can have two houses joined together, what we in England call Semi Detached.

One can be over the limit for Radon gas, which is what Radium produces, the next house will be completely free of it.

Fracking is a complete no no in some areas, I completely agree with Omah and others in this respect.

In other areas , it is perfectly feasible without any geological release of pollutants.