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The more serious issue is how did we ever arrive in this dire position?

It was Gordon Brown who ushered through the Treaty without giving the people a choice, without giving them a referendum. Lots of people demanded one, and plenty of MPs demanded one, but Brown ignored them.

Without our knowledge, without any attempt to inform us, educate us and make us properly aware of what he was about to do and how it would affect us for the rest of our lives, he pushed ahead with the Treaty. This was the travesty. In that act he banished sovereignty, he banished the UK parliament and Westminster, he banished the Labour, Liberal and Conservative parties, General Elections and ultimately banished democracy itself. Had we stayed in the EU, all of those things would have disappeared . . . forever . . . with no chance of ever restoring them.

As a population we have to ask, how could a fat politician or PM ever wield such power to dictate such monumental changes to the country without a public vote? That situation HAS to be changed and done so immediately and those that have done this to the UK should be brought to trial and possibly tried for treason.

I haven't noticed any of mine removed lately Mags.
Mind you.
I am trying to be good.
Honest I am.

Corbyn didn't lie!

No amount of doom a gloom about Brexit on this site is going to make me feel ive voted the wrong way...i'm overjoyed that I my family and my country are out of a Marxist tyranny at last...

My last post on these rather tedious E U threads whereby your own politicians are saying get on with it. Why are you 're hashing this over and over again.

However what small memories we have regarding E U funding especially for Wales. Millions of pounds spent on the restructure of communities especially the valleys. The monies for the A470 the main artery for the valleys and beyond.

Monies for funding of clinical trials for research into disease such as cancers and stem cell research and run clinical trials. I could go on.

All from E U funding. Nobody complained then about faceless bureaucrats in Brusel then.

Oh by the way my job before I retired was negotiating funding from Brussels for clinical research projects run in the largest hospital in Wales.

There was a fairly decent Question Time last week when one of the remain MP' s made some semblance of sense. She is appalled at both sides bitterness and hostility towards each other. Families, friend falling out. The bitter tirade from social media behind the safety of keyboards.

For goodness sake for us all. Just get on with it. The sooner you stabilise both shadow and leadership contest you can start the laborious process of leaving.

I certainly have read enough. Although my Southern Irsh friend did make a rather amusing comment at lunch. Quite frankly she couldn't give a feck Bravo.

Nor mine Booze