06-01-2017, 05:55 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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Yes, well if we all lived in the outback .....
In either case, one should be aware that a very, very small percentage of Australians live in the "outback".
The vast, vast majority thrive around the coastline or on the arable lands just adjacent.
06-01-2017, 05:59 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Mups
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Once again I question the mind of the person able to do this as a daily job.
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-u...-laboratories/
06-01-2017, 06:09 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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.... one pig: US military trauma training.“They shot him twice in the face with a 9-millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then twice with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire !! Lived for 15 hours afterwards. .....
but if one reads this account in full, many would find it justifiable.
A few pigs suffer so that effective treatment can be more likely for wounded soldiers in the field.
I wonder if the 'shock-horror' would be as great if they were wounded British soldiers whose lives were saved because of the medic-training using pigs.
" Petty Officer Kirby began to list the schools he had attended to be ready for this moment.
Some he had paid for himself, he said, to be extra-prepared.
In one course, an advanced trauma treatment program he had taken before deploying, he said, the instructors gave each corpsman an anesthetized pig.
“The idea is to work with live tissue,” he said. “You get a pig and you keep it alive. And every time I did something to help him, they would wound him again. So you see what shock does, and what happens when more wounds are received by a wounded creature.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/wo...t/02medic.html
06-01-2017, 06:26 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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*US military trauma training.“They shot him twice in the face with a 9-millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then twice with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire !! Lived for 15 hours afterwards. .
Having a very limited knowledge of this type of injury and the effects on the body I find this very hard to believe.
06-01-2017, 06:40 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Refer to my post #43, Tpin - or google Muddle's first line"one pig: US military trauma training."
You will find a heap of reports.
You are right though. If someone quotes like that they should acknowledge that it has been pinched from elsewhere and provide their source.
06-01-2017, 06:43 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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If you should wish to read it..http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-u...-laboratories/
I'll decline the link if you don't mind PD. I have read about this before, so while back, and knowing more gruesome details will not do me any good, nor help these poor animals.
06-01-2017, 06:58 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Tpin
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Have you got a link to a credible source to these claims?Having a very limited knowledge of this type of injury and the effects on the body I find this very hard to believe.
06-01-2017, 07:16 PM
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Re: Should Animals be Used for Research ?
Originally Posted by Tpin
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I dont believe it when such a report starts with "an observer witnessed"And then it appears on animal welfare sites.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/wo...t/02medic.html
AND - as I said, you can find a heap of other supporting sources using Google.
No normal person likes to see any animal suffer but if it comes to a choice between a few animals or a whole lot of humans ...... ???
And then of course, there are all those who don't give a rat's how much suffering is caused by rotten, predatory, introduced, carnivorous cats ....
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