14-12-2019, 12:41 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by Bread
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They are both forms of communism
The socialist worker protestors were angry that Corbyn lost and about five more years of tory policies. They were hoping for a socialist revolution as proposed by their great leader.
14-12-2019, 01:09 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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We don't have communism in the EU. The socialist worker protestors were angry that Corbyn lost and about five more years of tory policies. They were hoping for a socialist revolution as proposed by their great leader.
The corrupt undemocratic European Commission is its secretariat.
As for the "Socialist Workers" lot, just as is the case with Socialism it is communist to the rotten core.
14-12-2019, 01:17 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Err, sorry but the EU IS communist. Communism is a broad church, the EU certainly is communist.The corrupt undemocratic European Commission is its secretariat.
As for the "Socialist Workers" lot, just as is the case with Socialism it is communist to the rotten core.
The socialist worker lot are just nuts. Thank goodness we are not reviving that economic model here.
14-12-2019, 02:07 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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You can stretch definitions as much as you like but the EU is not communist. The socialist worker lot are just nuts. Thank goodness we are not reviving that economic model here.
The elected members can and do not make any of the laws and have no say
Just as the USSR under Stalin and China under Moa did
14-12-2019, 02:15 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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We don't have communism in the EU. The socialist worker protestors were angry that Corbyn lost and about five more years of tory policies. They were hoping for a socialist revolution as proposed by their great leader.
There are many hard left leaders in power in the EU, just look at the backgrounds of the countries that form the EU and those about to join.
Alterio Spinelli is the communist that (pretty much) launched the EU Project, there's a building named after him in the EU parliament.
14-12-2019, 02:24 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by galty
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The EU is run on Communist way of thinking.The elected members can and do not make any of the laws and have no say
Just as the USSR under Stalin and China under Moa did
But in any case the EU is nothing to do with the protests in the news. The socialist worker crowd are just anti-tory. Probably some anarchists there too.
14-12-2019, 03:08 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The EU is nothing like the USSR or China. It's easy to throw around such analogies but they are completely misleading. It's a capitalist system of mixed economies collaborating with each other and imposing barriers to entry of non members. Originally created to provide a nice trading area for the US and a counter to communism. It's probably too democratic if anything. Having been in West Berlin in 1989 just before the fall of the soviet bloc I can give you a full description of the contrast between East and West. There seems to be some misconception on what true communism is.But in any case the EU is nothing to do with the protests in the news. The socialist worker crowd are just anti-tory. Probably some anarchists there too.
1. Higher taxes so the wealthy, businesses pay their fair share instead of off-shoring their greed and denying the poor a good standard of living.
2. Anti- capitalism = Hate the big business who don't pay enough taxes and keep all the profits to themselves instead of giving a share of the profits back to the workers. (so we get unions, workers rights etc etc)
3. Nationalisation - the state should own and run all our services such as transport and energy etc. The public should not have to pay to use necessities and make these horrible big companies a profit and instead transfer ownership to the "people" etc
4. Welfare - (borrow borrow borrow) those that "have not" should be treated equally to those "who have" so we need to share the wealth around.
Sounds great doesn't it !
But then it all fails because like it or not, private businesses pay for everything = conservatism, which is "management" of the state rather than "rule on principles" of the state.
The other problem is that these "principles" can never change or it is not true socialism (and you get called a fascist etc). When they fail, the only answer is "more socialism" so the state increases taxes, increases borrowing and increases state control. It then gets to a critical mass where socialism implodes and we get "communism" where the elite refuse to leave government and rule the people with their military.
Thats why I'm saying the EU is "communism waiting to happen" and how scary the direction of travel is. Look at the new policies coming in through the new leadership - common tax policy, EU army, common asylum policy (to import those who will vote how they are told - in favour of socialism) etc.... all based on those principles I mentioned before.
Look at who the elite are in Brussels - mainly German and look how the common currency is being rolled out, open borders quantative easing (borrow borrow borrow) etc
Communism happens when socialism fails and the socialist EU is failing miserably. Worryingly, when you add nationalism to this melting pot you then get fascism and wars break out. Look at the rise of the far right in Europe - Le Penn, AfD PiS Party etc and look at the political position of the leadership in the EU commission and council.
I hope that makes sense but for the record, socialism fails every time and it ends up with everyone poor, no jobs, no money, violence and chaos.
14-12-2019, 03:43 PM
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Re: Post election backlash
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The EU is nothing like the USSR or China. It's easy to throw around such analogies but they are completely misleading. It's a capitalist system of mixed economies collaborating with each other and imposing barriers to entry of non members. Originally created to provide a nice trading area for the US and a counter to communism. It's probably too democratic if anything. Having been in West Berlin in 1989 just before the fall of the soviet bloc I can give you a full description of the contrast between East and West. There seems to be some misconception on what true communism is.But in any case the EU is nothing to do with the protests in the news. The socialist worker crowd are just anti-tory. Probably some anarchists there too.
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