10-02-2020, 12:35 AM
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Re: Brexit Day Bill from EU?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The Chambers dictionary definition : "the principles and practice of those who believe in a a strong centralised government similar to that in Italy from 1922-1944, with suppression of all criticism or opposition. " NB. This definition was published in 1975 so not influenced by Brexit and/or political correctness!I too thought it was right wing, but left or right doesn't seem to come into it.
The concept of fascism cannot be clearly defined. It is a complex and varied phenomenon that is difficult to describe briefly. Yet fascism has a number of basic characteristics that distinguish it from other political movements. These are:
1. Fascism is the opponent of both traditional left and right political parties. [4] [5]
2. Fascism despises contemporary conservative institutions. [4] [5] 3. Fascism honors display of force and the use of force, to the extent that it is aimed at the overthrow of the existing social order.
4. Fascism has an authoritarian structure, headed by a leader to whom charismatic traits are attributed.
5. Fascism strives for the establishment of a political dictatorship.
6. Fascism strives for a totalitarian state - complete control on social life and social and cultural organizations.
7. Fascism is extremely nationalistic.
8. Fascism argues for a continuous struggle for the survival of one's nation in the midst of other states.
9.Fascism rests primarily on the social middle class.
10. Fascism strives for social unity and the removal of all existing class and conflicts of interest.
10-02-2020, 08:24 AM
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Re: Brexit Day Bill from EU?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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If that is your definition? Okay, it doesn't correspond with the socially accepted description of the phenomenon, but if you live by it.Still interesting to know you consider facism as coming from your left.
Hitler was a socialist remember.
10-02-2020, 08:30 AM
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Re: Brexit Day Bill from EU?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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I found this (in dutch) on wikipedia. Is it me, or do I recognize brexiters in this?The concept of fascism cannot be clearly defined. It is a complex and varied phenomenon that is difficult to describe briefly. Yet fascism has a number of basic characteristics that distinguish it from other political movements. These are:
1. Fascism is the opponent of both traditional left and right political parties. [4] [5]
2. Fascism despises contemporary conservative institutions. [4] [5] 3. Fascism honors display of force and the use of force, to the extent that it is aimed at the overthrow of the existing social order.
4. Fascism has an authoritarian structure, headed by a leader to whom charismatic traits are attributed.
5. Fascism strives for the establishment of a political dictatorship.
6. Fascism strives for a totalitarian state - complete control on social life and social and cultural organizations.
7. Fascism is extremely nationalistic.
8. Fascism argues for a continuous struggle for the survival of one's nation in the midst of other states.
9.Fascism rests primarily on the social middle class.
10. Fascism strives for social unity and the removal of all existing class and conflicts of interest.
For fascism you need socialism, racism and nationalism. It's not that hard to figure it out Solasch.
I've explained this already ... and I'm having to explain it to you again. Look at your points 10, 8, 7
10-02-2020, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Don't know who is the other. On this photo he is in the company of a racist. Would you say farage ticks two out of three of your conditions of a fascist?And now he ticks three out of three.
The guy in the picture I posted is me, on one of the several times I've met and had conversations with Nigel Farage.
Nigel Farage is not a fascist at all. That title is reserved for you ... because your not only a fascist by my definition, you are also a fascist by your own
10-02-2020, 08:41 AM
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Re: Brexit Day Bill from EU?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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I found this (in dutch) on wikipedia. Is it me, or do I recognize brexiters in this?The concept of fascism cannot be clearly defined. It is a complex and varied phenomenon that is difficult to describe briefly. Yet fascism has a number of basic characteristics that distinguish it from other political movements. These are:
1. Fascism is the opponent of both traditional left and right political parties. [4] [5]
2. Fascism despises contemporary conservative institutions. [4] [5] 3. Fascism honors display of force and the use of force, to the extent that it is aimed at the overthrow of the existing social order.
4. Fascism has an authoritarian structure, headed by a leader to whom charismatic traits are attributed.
5. Fascism strives for the establishment of a political dictatorship.
6. Fascism strives for a totalitarian state - complete control on social life and social and cultural organizations.
7. Fascism is extremely nationalistic.
8. Fascism argues for a continuous struggle for the survival of one's nation in the midst of other states.
9.Fascism rests primarily on the social middle class.
10. Fascism strives for social unity and the removal of all existing class and conflicts of interest.
That's Corbynism
10-02-2020, 08:50 AM
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Re: Brexit Day Bill from EU?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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But not in regard with their dwelling on the right wing of the spectrum.
These days most people's politics are fluid and contain aspects from both sides of the spectrum.
Labour found that out to their cost and embarassment.
Only the pseudo Fascist EU supporters can be classed as truly left wing authoritarians.
10-02-2020, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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For fascism you need socialism, racism and nationalism. It's not that hard to figure it out Solasch.I've explained this already ... and I'm having to explain it to you again. Look at your points 10, 8, 7
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