01-10-2019, 09:42 AM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Moscow
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And yet we still punch above our weight in all matters of defence and disaster aid.Look at the UK presence on the EU's Eastern Flank, doing the work the French and others are totally incapable of.
01-10-2019, 10:20 AM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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I believe we also pay our share to nato and still belong to that, why would anyone pays into that need another conglomerate army ? it's all very worrying IMO we are already seeing tanks go against French protesters with the EU flag on them. Any EU army would be used against inserections from within IMO
With 27 member states all with their QMV, it would take years for them to decide who to defend and who to go to war with, just like we saw with Bosnia and Kuwait.
01-10-2019, 10:57 AM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Bread
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The reason the EU need their own army is to initimidate, frighten and control their own people.With 27 member states all with their QMV, it would take years for them to decide who to defend and who to go to war with, just like we saw with Bosnia and Kuwait.
01-10-2019, 11:40 AM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Still making things up again? What is the basis to your reasoning other than your own imagination
The answer is - all the reasons I just said.
I'm not making things up at all - you just can't take off those "goggles of denial".
01-10-2019, 01:33 PM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Moscow
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And yet we still punch above our weight in all matters of defence and disaster aid.Look at the UK presence on the EU's Eastern Flank, doing the work the French and others are totally incapable of.
01-10-2019, 01:40 PM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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That's a good question Bread one I have yet to hear a remainer answer to my satisfaction too.
(ex Article 11 TEU)
1. The Union's competence in matters of common foreign and security policy shall cover all areas of foreign policy and all questions relating to the Union's security, including the progressive framing of a common defence policy that might lead to a common defence.
The common foreign and security policy is subject to specific rules and procedures. It shall be defined and implemented by the European Council and the Council acting unanimously, except where the Treaties provide otherwise. The adoption of legislative acts shall be excluded.
3. The Member States shall support the Union's external and security policy actively and unreservedly in a spirit of loyalty and mutual solidarity and shall comply with the Union's action in this area.
The Member States shall work together to enhance and develop their mutual political solidarity. They shall refrain from any action which is contrary to the interests of the Union or likely to impair its effectiveness as a cohesive force in international relations.
IN ADDITION
The common security and defence policy shall include the progressive framing of a common Union defence policy. This will lead to a common defence, when the European Council, acting unanimously, so decides. It shall in that case recommend to the Member States the adoption of such a decision in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.
The policy of the Union in accordance with this Section shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States and shall respect the obligations of certain Member States, which see their common defence realised in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), under the North Atlantic Treaty and be compatible with the common security and defence policy established within that framework.
01-10-2019, 01:46 PM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Article 24(ex Article 11 TEU)
1. The Union's competence in matters of common foreign and security policy shall cover all areas of foreign policy and all questions relating to the Union's security, including the progressive framing of a common defence policy that might lead to a common defence.
The common foreign and security policy is subject to specific rules and procedures. It shall be defined and implemented by the European Council and the Council acting unanimously, except where the Treaties provide otherwise. The adoption of legislative acts shall be excluded.
3. The Member States shall support the Union's external and security policy actively and unreservedly in a spirit of loyalty and mutual solidarity and shall comply with the Union's action in this area.
The Member States shall work together to enhance and develop their mutual political solidarity. They shall refrain from any action which is contrary to the interests of the Union or likely to impair its effectiveness as a cohesive force in international relations.
Which basically means the EU control all the member states foreign policy and determine what direction they want to go in provided that it is only in the best interest of the EU project, not necessarily of the member states.
The member states will then go along with it because they have no choice and if they do anything to the contrary or disagree with it, they will threaten them in having their voting rights removed (like Hungary).
Won't be long before the 12 gold EU stars on their flag will turn into one big red one
08-10-2019, 11:30 AM
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Re: Brexit will reward international investors, not ordinary Leave voters
Originally Posted by AidoPotato
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It is impossible not to generalise on an online forum. I have already said that I understand that some people will benefit and I accept that perhaps you will. The vast majority will not.https://www.theguardian.com/politics...st-seen-in-60s
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9146386.html
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