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17-12-2016, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pumicestone ->
Any credible evidence ?


It seems that our government has allowed ex-CIA agent Osama Bin Laden and over 3,000 of his Al Queda terrorist regulars to fly out of Afghanistan under the guise of evacuating Pakistani wounded. They are now laughing at us as they sun themselves in Somalia and Abu Dhabi, while our grunts are chasing their tails inside the caves of Tora Bora.
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It is reported that the Tora Bora cubbyholes never held more than 300 Al Queda fighters, instead of the thousands and thousands touted by our ëintelligenceí agencies. The paltry 300 were sent there as a diversion for the rubes watching on CNN.
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By agreement, the U.S. stopped bombing the airport at Konduz to allow the humanitarian evacuation of mostly wounded native Pakistani Taliban troops, so that they could return to their country in exchange for the cooperation we had received from Pakistan. While they were being airlifted out, several charter planes of Russian design landed and left at the same times, taking as many as 4,000 armed Al Queda terrorists out of Afghanistan, including Osama Bin Laden.
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Apparently, the evacuation lasted almost a week, starting around the third week of November. Our geniuses kept bombing and strafing Tora Bora for weeks, even though the enemy was never there, to make sure that our media got plenty of photo ops of the War on Terrorism making an impressive amount of smoke and noise.
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I bet many of you have seen the fantastic weapons our aircraft carry. They have special bombs that crater entire airport runways so that they are not usable without months of repairs. So, I ask you, how can it be that we have been "bombing" the airport at Konduz, yet allowed planes to land on its runways? Doesn't bombing an airport make it useless? Yet, thousands of Taliban fighters from Pakistan and thousands more battle-hardened Al Queda terrorists escaped over several days during the "pauses in bombing" by the USA. Something doesn't smell right. Yet it smells familiar; it smells like the Clinton administration telling us one thing while it did another.
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Iraqi intelligence has warned our State Department that if the U.S. captures Bin Laden and effectively ends the power of the Al Queda to 'Be all you can be,' it will cause such a huge Islamic fundamentalist backlash that riots will occur in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt that won't stop until their leaders are deposed and replaced with fundamentalist mullahs that would make the Taliban seem glamorous.
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So, Osama and company are secretly evacuated to safer grounds while our President vows to 'get him.' It smells like the Bush administration telling us one thing while doing another. They chose to allow Bin Laden and his merry men to escape in the name of Muslim fundamentalist 'stability,' a new oxymoron.
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Speaking of morons, many American are still reacting to the new War On Terrorism with patriotic fervor, setting U.S. flags rippling on their car antennas, front porches and even their kids' tricycles.
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It doesn't matter to patriots that if any cop says they're a suspected terrorist for yelling at a meter maid, they can be arrested and jailed without hearing the charges against them, without an attorney, without a phone call and without bail. Next, they can be tried by a secret court, convicted with secret evidence, then even executed in secret. They can disappear off the face of the earth, grabbed up by the new Gestapo, the USA PATRIOT Act Secret Police, while families wonder who is now supposed to raise and lower the nine-foot America flag every night in front of the family home. It simply doesnít matter that all Civil Rights have been trashed, because it's the other guy who's a suspect, not a patriot.
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It doesn't matter that George Duhhhbya has enacted a War-On-Terrorism economic stimulus package to save the free world. Thanks to his brilliant defense of freedom, the supranational corporations no longer have to pay any income taxes! In fact, they are being refunded for past years, to the tune of 140 billion dollars. Billions of tax refunds to IBM, GM, Ford - all FOG, "Friends Of George."
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Go ahead, America, try to fudge just a little on your tax deductions; times are tight and you're running low on grocery money more and more every month. Then expect an audit and perhaps armed agents bursting into your home and business, confiscating and selling even the shoes off your feet.
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Lower your heads for the yoke of the New World Order to set gently on your necks, while IBM executives sail on their tax-free yachts. They are now laughing at us as they sun themselves off the coasts of Somalia and Abu Dhabi, echoed by the laughter of Osama Bin Laden, lilting in the warm, offshore breeze.
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Let's all sing, America the Beautiful.
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17-12-2016, 09:12 PM
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Oh boy, Marmaduke, THAT is your "credible" evidence

Bin Ladin was a CIA agent ? (well I suppose at a real stretch that might be claimed when the Russians 'invaded' Afghanistan - but after 9/11 ? C'mon)

Notice all the wild unsourced claims -
"It seems that ................................"
"It is reported that .........................."
"Apparently ...................................."
"It smells like ................................."


And who the hell is this Jack Duggan anyway ?
What are his sources and qualifications - or do we just accept anything he rants as 'gospel'.

Google the guy and see his twaddle conspiracies from rigged elections to IBM, cyclone Katrina, and of course that age-old favourite the "New World Order"

No way, Marmaduke, you are obviously far too smart for that.
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18-12-2016, 09:30 AM
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How YOU are helping to fund international charity chiefs with aid
http://dailym.ai/2hTZl4J

Charity chiefs take home pay packages worth up to £618,000 a year
David Miliband takes home £530,922 as president of International Rescue Committee
Marie Stopes International paid its chief executive nearly £1 million over two years
Bosses of charities handed millions in British foreign aid to fight poverty in poor nations are creaming off huge six-figure salaries and hefty bonuses, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
An investigation by this newspaper has discovered that charity chiefs are taking home astonishing pay packages worth up to £618,000 a year and ramping up spending on senior staff.
Beneficiaries include former Labour Foreign Secretary David Miliband, who takes home £530,922 as president of the US-based International Rescue Committee, which has been given £3.6 million British aid. He has been complaining that a shortage of cash hinders his group from helping people in need.
Another charity – given £7.3 million from British taxpayers to ‘expand economic opportunity’ in Asia – shared £2.25 million last year among its ten most senior staff.
These massive sums spent on staff by charities begging for money from the Government and its generous citizens are the latest example of ‘fat cats’ profiting from Britain’s £12 billion aid giveaway.
Already Mail on Sunday exposés over profiteering and dirty tricks among private firms paid hundreds of millions to deliver aid have led to separate inquiries by the Department for International Development (DFID) and MPs on the International Development Committee.
This weekend, it has emerged that Priti Patel, the Development Secretary, has frozen discussion of new deals while she urgently reviews ethics, relationships and tax dodging within the industry.
Today this paper can reveal:
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18-12-2016, 10:27 AM
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Looking at the chart of the top ten donor countries why do we give so much? Why are we second?

I think we need to rethink our aid program. We should use funds allocated here at home on immigrants we allow into this country instead of councils having to fund homes etc and a slice should go to the NHS for the additional use of their service by foreigners who want to settle here.
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18-12-2016, 11:50 AM
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One country we are supplying with foreign aid is South Sudan where there are reports of Ethnic cleansing taking place which is being compared to the genocide in Rwanda. Thousands are fleeing to camps in Uganda..

Ethnic cleansing is taking place in war-torn South Sudan, the country's UN human rights commission has warned.
It says it has observed starvation, the burning of villages and rape being used as weapons of war across the country.
The three-member commission, which was established earlier this year, has just completed a 10-day visit to South Sudan, which has been blighted by conflict for more than three years.
President Salva Kiir has denied that ethnic cleansing is taking place.

In a statement released on Thursday, the commission says "the stage is being set for a repeat of what happened in Rwanda" in 1994 - a reference to the killing of 800,000 people, mostly Tutsis and moderate Hutus, in the space of three months.
Yasmin Sooka, the chair of the commission, said that everywhere the team went in South Sudan, it "heard villagers saying they are ready to shed blood to get their land back".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38174754
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18-12-2016, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pumicestone ->
Oh boy, Marmaduke, THAT is your "credible" evidence

Bin Ladin was a CIA agent ? (well I suppose at a real stretch that might be claimed when the Russians 'invaded' Afghanistan - but after 9/11 ? C'mon)

Notice all the wild unsourced claims -
"It seems that ................................"
"It is reported that .........................."
"Apparently ...................................."
"It smells like ................................."


And who the hell is this Jack Duggan anyway ?
What are his sources and qualifications - or do we just accept anything he rants as 'gospel'.

Google the guy and see his twaddle conspiracies from rigged elections to IBM, cyclone Katrina, and of course that age-old favourite the "New World Order"

No way, Marmaduke, you are obviously far too smart for that.



I agree lol but I couldn't be bothered searching further so sent first link I came across lol however I have read/heard through military circles that bin laden was indeed 'rescued' by Pakistan.... hence the reason as the yearswent by Uncle Sam started telling Pakistan 'nothing' and to this day still does drone strikes without informing Pakistan of current /future missions as although Pakistan says to the world officially they are onside .... in reality they aren't
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18-12-2016, 01:27 PM
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Compared to third world countries Britain is mega rich, and should be giving money to help those in need in those places.
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18-12-2016, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tarantula ->
Compared to third world countries Britain is mega rich, and should be giving money to help those in need in those places.
And I guess if third world countries stopped their civil wars ( a war were one corrupt dictator overthrows another corrupt dictator ) and set about actually doing something positive in the county then possibly in time they will build an economy and become a stable nation like every other country has too but instead they fight amongst themselves ,over populate and expect the world to pick up their tab ..... nothing wrong with giving aid but for the past 50 years it's become a lifestyle choice for many nations


And whilst backward looking countries such as this make decisions such as this then I despair ...... barabaric religious zealots plain and simple



Man who got 13-year-old sister in law pregnant marries her in Tunisia
http://dailym.ai/2gO7N0c

A 20-year-old man who made a 13-year-old relative pregnant has married her
A Tunisian court approved the wedding despite protests from the family
Tunisian law says that a man can evade underage sex charges if he marries her
The country's prime minister says he wants to change the controversial law
A Tunisian court has approved the marriage of a 13-year-old girl to a 20-year-old relative who made her pregnant.
The marriage between the girl and her brother-in-law took place in the region of Kef, in Tunisia's northwest, in presence of their parents who had tried to stop the wedding.
A judge approved of their marriage last Tuesday relying on article 227 in the Tunisian Criminal Code which stipulates that while sex with a girl under 15 without the use of force is punishable by six years in prison, the culprit can halt proceedings by marrying the victim.
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18-12-2016, 02:32 PM
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Today, 08:30 AM#23 How YOU are helping to fund international charity chiefs with aid
http://dailym.ai/2hTZl4J

Charity chiefs take home pay packages worth up to £618,000 a year
David Miliband takes home £530,922 as president of International Rescue Committee
Marie Stopes International paid its chief executive nearly £1 million over two years
Bosses of charities handed millions in British foreign aid to fight poverty in poor nations are creaming off huge six-figure salaries and hefty bonuses, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
An investigation by this newspaper has discovered that charity chiefs are taking home astonishing pay packages worth up to £618,000 a year and ramping up spending on senior staff.




This is why we spend billions on aid ,so corrupt wasters like millband etc get kick backs from it ,been happening for years and years
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18-12-2016, 02:45 PM
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It isn't just governments and charity's ,even widows having others pick up the bill for the kids ( in certain life insurance in reality will have ) put a Porsche on the xmas list whilst others are paying


Jonah Lomu's wife buys $75k Porsche as fundraising continues for sons
http://dailym.ai/2hTU4tW

Jonah Lomu's widow has purchased a $75,000 Porsche on finance
The All Blacks star passed away in November last year and revealed to be broke
An independent trust has been set up for his two sons, Dhyreille and Brayley
A spokesperson said funds from the trust were not used to buy the Porsche
Jonah Lomu's widow is driving a $75,000 Porsche while fans are making donations to set up a trust for the couple's sons.
Nadene Lomu did not use funds from the trust to buy the Porsche on finance, but a spokesperson for the trust acknowledged it created a 'perception issue'.
A spokesperson said the trust is 'independent of the family members and their personal affairs', NZ Herald reported.




Must be orrible to be so skint one is having to only buy the £75k Porsche
 
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