Re: Is Brexit over ??
Originally Posted by
Donkeyman
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If you can answer my question Zaphod?
What advantage is it to wait 5-5 years before we can reduce EUs
Quotas by 25%?? It will go a long way to reconciling me to the
We're not waiting to reduce quotas by 25%, they are already reduced in some cases AND they will reduce each year.
The schedule is set out in the government link I have posted before.
As far as more and sooner is concerned, that would not benefit us.
Why not?
Simply, we haven't got a fishing fleet to take more fish if we want to; the 5 years is to give our fishing industry time to expand and prepare if they choose to.
Originally Posted by
Donkeyman
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Boris deal ?
When you mention hard line Tory MPs being in favour of "the deal"
That only makes me suspicious that they are saying that due to
the much vaunted Tory party loyalty, and they are
once again putting
party first ?
I will continue to support Boris if he makes the right moves in the
NEAR future, which it is quite possible will happen 🤔
Yes "Boris deal" - he was in charge when the deal was agreed.
The likes of Sir Bill Cash and the ERG were promising revolt if the deal offered wasn't up to scratch, and as for them supporting the Tory party, do you mean in the same way that MP's supported the needs of the people with their failure to implement Brexit for years?
Or do you mean like the Tories that Boris removed because they failed to support Brexit?
IMHO ignoring the power that the fervent pro-Brexiters like the above is to ignore the probability that they could have gone on divide the Tories and finish their chance of governing for decades, possibly also to instead support Nigel's new party.
Because the deal is OK that's no longer likely.
Originally Posted by
Donkeyman
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PS. I don't think he betrayed us, l think the EU out manouvered him !
remember he kicked Frosty off the negotiations ??
When even EU politicians and EU media think that it is the UK have outmanouvered the EU I would have to suggest that your opinions are misguided.
Lord Frost was not kicked off negotiations.
Where on Earth do you get that from?
He was no more "kicked off" than Barmier was.
What you're describing is the tactics that worked by pushing the EU into offering the UK a deal, nothing more.
I have said it before: I think that Boris and Lord Frost together have played the EU perfectly after inheriting an absolute shambles from May.
Between them they threatened and cajoled - and it worked!
We got the free trade we wanted without any loss of sovereignty - and that (again) is the considered opinion of men far more knowledgable than you or I who were sceptical beforehand.
Now we're out it is time to move on and make the most of new opportunities.
From what I see so far things look positive.
Very positive.