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Anyway Pauline. How about this old question. You are on a plane of people, all of whom will die due to the threat of a nutter. As luck would have it, you are the only person who is presented with an opportunity to save the plane, its passengers and yourself. Trouble is that the only option means you have to kill the nutter.

What would you do?

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What's your argument that counters mine? Why is it not deliberate?
I've presented a rational reasoning, example and explanation.

Show me where it's in error?

Why not? This is a discussion forum and you've exerted your opinion enough times.

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You are wrong in wanting to murder people, and you cannot prove that they are deliberately going up to people,no proof whatsoever and even if they were,( which I don’t believe for one moment) makes you no different to them as you too would be a murderer.

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The covid deniers who were going up close to medics outside St Thomas' hospital on NYE could be accused of murder if one of those medics contracted Covid and died.

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You do not force your opinions/ beliefs onto others, remember what you told me about forcing my religion, so please don’t force what you believe onto me, I am far away from believing what you say.....

You have shown no evidence whatsoever, only what you have read.

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Any chance of showing them doing that on film?

Or did you hear it or read it?

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See that you've not responded to my "plane" post.

Kill or be killed. Seems a well trodden rational argument to me...so show/explain why it's wrong.

Have demonstrated/explained why their actions are deliberate. It's up to you to counterargue. You haven't done so yet.

"you cannot prove that they are deliberately going up to people" Look at the photos of them at the skiing place. Look at other examples of raves and of gathering in crowds on the beaches, at demonstrations etc. How is this not proof?

Simply saying "I think you're wrong" and "I don't believe" doesn't really cut the mustard. I've shown you. Now you show me.

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You have shown me nothing, that ski trip that was shown could be a lie/ hoax, you have nothing to stand on, only a picture, and what you read.

No one can prove a thing, only what the media has written/ shown...you can’t prove that joe bloggs went up to a person deliberately.to infect them with covid.

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Show me what you've read that contradicts the evidence/argument I've supplied. My arguments about probabilities, infection rates etc is based upon logic and an understanding of mathematical modelling which involves exponential growths and probability distributions. Where do yours lie?

Asking for an explanation or reason or evidence isn't forcing an opinion/belief.

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It has nothing to do with mathematical modelling which involves all that you say,

Rubbish, show me proof that these people are infecting others deliberately?.....not words.....you don’t have the right to murder these people as you say you would....you have no proof of what you are accusing some of.....how come they aren’t being summoned into a court of law for their deliberate acts of murder.