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14-01-2021, 12:06 PM
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Re: Is Brexit over ??

Hi

We do not have a magic wand to wave.

We could take back the whole of our fishing quotas.

If we did it would take us years to get the boats and processing plants in place.

We cannot magic up very expensive processing plants and the specialist staff required to work in them.

It takes years to do this.

We have other things to worry about, in particular Covid, where our efforts are concentrated now and where we are miles ahead of the EU.
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14-01-2021, 12:22 PM
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Re: Is Brexit over ??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We do not have a magic wand to wave.

We could take back the whole of our fishing quotas.

If we did it would take us years to get the boats and processing plants in place.

We cannot magic up very expensive processing plants and the specialist staff required to work in them.

It takes years to do this.

We have other things to worry about, in particular Covid, where our efforts are concentrated now and where we are miles ahead of the EU.
Everything is unachievable for you isn't it.
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14-01-2021, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
It looks like your trust in the deal should be communicated to Barmier,
Who yesterday stated that the problems experienced so far in
implementing the new. rules are only the beginning, and are set to
worsen and become permanent as that is the nature of the deal !!
In other words, to my way of thinking , he is going to ensure that we
are going to suffer!! Not a good start to a new supposedly mutually
beneficial "deal imo??
BTW you did'nt fully answer my question about the five year delay
before we get the 25% quota increase, the way l read it that 25% is
going to be the maximum we will ever get, please put me right if l
am wrong, maybe l am just more cautious than you??
And l believe that EU Skippers should,as of this moment be
applying to US for fishing licences, we should start as we mean to go
on! Make it clear they WILL get their licence, but they MUST apply
to US for it ?? What is wrong with that??
I am afraid that now Barmier has come out with this last utterance
I have even less confidence in this "deal"!!

Donkeyman! 👎👎

PS. From your last post it seems that Boris& Barmy are allready at
loggerheads? Maybe there's hope for us yet!!
Re: your last bit: yes they are.
And indeed there is hope.

But to fishing and I have to be honest; quite why there's so much fuss over a relatively small contribution to our country is baffling.
As we were constantly told throughout the latter stages of "negotiations", fishing accounts for only 0.1% of the UK economy.
Even hugely increasing capacity isn't going to equate to fishing contributing very much towards our economy.
We've established that we have sovereignty over our waters and can do with them as we want, but that (as with everything in life) there would be consequences for actions taken.


Here's what the (remain-biased, remember) BBC says:
"Under plans outlined in the deal, EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after.

By 2026, it's estimated that UK boats will have access to an extra £145m of fishing quota every year. In 2019, British vessels caught 502,000 tonnes of fish, worth around £850m, inside UK waters. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

The UK's economy is around £2,200 billion per year.
When fishing is such a miniscule part of that and note that it will increase - and they are now indisputably sovereign waters too - complaining that things could be better is a bit daft.
Compared to say the financial sector it's so ridiculous as to be ludicrous to grumble about a few fish.
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14-01-2021, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
Everything is unachievable for you isn't it.
Hi

Nope, I just recognise it will take time.

I am so, so happy we are out of the EU.
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14-01-2021, 12:48 PM
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Re: Is Brexit over ??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We do not have a magic wand to wave.

We could take back the whole of our fishing quotas.

If we did it would take us years to get the boats and processing plants in place.

We cannot magic up very expensive processing plants and the specialist staff required to work in them.

It takes years to do this.

We have other things to worry about, in particular Covid, where our efforts are concentrated now and where we are miles ahead of the EU.
Absolutely correct; it would indeed take years - and then who are we going to sell it to if we cheese-off the only market for the stuff?

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Everything is unachievable for you isn't it.
In Swimmy's defence he's not saying it is unachievable; he says it will take time, and he is absolutely correct.
It will.
Plus the will of the industry, and whether they decide to grasp the opportunity or not remains to be seen.
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14-01-2021, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod ->
Re: your last bit: yes they are.
And indeed there is hope.

But to fishing and I have to be honest; quite why there's so much fuss over a relatively small contribution to our country is baffling.
As we were constantly told throughout the latter stages of "negotiations", fishing accounts for only 0.1% of the UK economy.
Even hugely increasing capacity isn't going to equate to fishing contributing very much towards our economy.
We've established that we have sovereignty over our waters and can do with them as we want, but that (as with everything in life) there would be consequences for actions taken.


Here's what the (remain-biased, remember) BBC says:
"Under plans outlined in the deal, EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after.

By 2026, it's estimated that UK boats will have access to an extra £145m of fishing quota every year. In 2019, British vessels caught 502,000 tonnes of fish, worth around £850m, inside UK waters. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558

The UK's economy is around £2,200 billion per year.
When fishing is such a miniscule part of that and note that it will increase - and they are now indisputably sovereign waters too - complaining that things could be better is a bit daft.
Compared to say the financial sector it's so ridiculous as to be ludicrous to grumble about a few fish.
The reason fishing is only such a sall part of our economy is that
most of it has been transferred to the EU via the CFP over forty
years of manipulation!!
Why do you think EU is kicking in up such a fuss if it is worth nothing??
Apart from that, the advantage of having a thriving fishing industry
again is so that the coastal communities can once again take a
full part in the UK economy and rely on themselves for their incomes
instead of being on universal credit etc ?? I think you will agree these
communities have been sorely misused since being in the EU??
Hopefully they will be able to regain their pride if Boris continues to
deliver what he promised !!

Donkeyman! 🤗🤗
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14-01-2021, 01:53 PM
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Re: Is Brexit over ??

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
It looks like your trust in the deal should be communicated to Barmier,
Who yesterday stated that the problems experienced so far in
implementing the new. rules are only the beginning, and are set to
worsen and become permanent as that is the nature of the deal !!
In other words, to my way of thinking , he is going to ensure that we
are going to suffer!! Not a good start to a new supposedly mutually
beneficial "deal imo??

BTW you did'nt fully answer my question about the five year delay
before we get the 25% quota increase, the way l read it that 25% is
going to be the maximum we will ever get, please put me right if l

am wrong, maybe l am just more cautious than you??
And l believe that EU Skippers should,as of this moment be
applying to US for fishing licences, we should start as we mean to go
on! Make it clear they WILL get their licence, but they MUST apply
to US for it ?? What is wrong with that??
I am afraid that now Barmier has come out with this last utterance
I have even less confidence in this "deal"!!

PS. From your last post it seems that Boris& Barmy are allready at
loggerheads? Maybe there's hope for us yet!!
Indeed. Barmy keeps coming up with new things with which to threaten us:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ide-ban-update
And we keep referring to the Frogs as 'our friends'!

Yes. I posted a list weeks ago showing that in five-and-a-half years we shall have reduced the EU's fishing levels by a limited amount and that that figure would then continue indefinitely. No further reductions were mentioned.
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14-01-2021, 02:00 PM
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Re: Is Brexit over ??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
We do not have a magic wand to wave.

We could take back the whole of our fishing quotas.

If we did it would take us years to get the boats and processing plants in place.

We cannot magic up very expensive processing plants and the specialist staff required to work in them.

It takes years to do this.
I have explained this several times on this forum, but I accept that there are probably many who choose not to read my posts. That's fine as I do exactly the same for some individuals!

For what it's worth, I'll explain again.

We could stop ALL foreign (and EU) fishing in our waters RIGHT NOW.
Yes, of course our own fishers couldn't make full use of what's available, and couldn't hope to do so for a number of years.
In the interim period, our fish stocks would have the opportunity to re-establish themselves.

The EU don't see this advantage, though. They would prefer to use their supertrawlers to hoover up everything as quickly as possible while they have the opportunity, and damn the inevitable consequence of the North Sea becoming as depleted of fish as the Mediterranean Sea now is.
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14-01-2021, 02:01 PM
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https://centreonconstitutionalchange...rexit-done-yet


Brexit will be with us for a long time yet.
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14-01-2021, 02:04 PM
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Re: Is Brexit over ??

Originally Posted by Cinderella ->
https://centreonconstitutionalchange...rexit-done-yet

"Brexit will be with us for a long time yet."
Exactly. We have not achieved Brexit yet. We are still tied to the EU's rules in a number of ways.

Northern Ireland is still under EU control. I suspect they're hoping for Scotland too.

Divide and conquer?
 
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