13-08-2020, 11:30 PM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Personally I hope that both the CTA and the 1920 act will get kicked into the long grass immediately after the end of the Transition period and preferably before.
13-08-2020, 11:52 PM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by Aerolor
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I think it was more than that DM. The unions were very militant at the time and played their part in the downfall of our industries, but a great deal of it had to do that we were no longer as competitive. Chinese steel, Indian steel and other producers were a lot cheaper than we were and their labour costs were so cheap - more like slave labour. Would you have our workers have to work on a par with them in order to compete? Even UK bought the cheaper stuff in preference to our own. Our industries gradually closed down and I am firmly of the opinion that Margaret Thatcher was largely responsible for the engineering of it. She was determined to bring the heavy industries to their knees, rather than listen to them and lose face. India and China can work as "dirty" as they like, with little consideration for their workers or pollution but we were involved with concerns about pollution and the welfare of our people and the mines were considered "dirty" industriesDidn't stop them buying elsewhere though did it rather than to support our own.
I'd suggest that it is because in Germany, business owners and trade unions are able and willing to work together.
14-08-2020, 12:08 AM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Our manufacturing was destroyed by Maggie as you say Aerolor!But also by militant unions and business owners who were unwilling
to reinvest in their businesses due to the fact that more money could
be made from stocks and shares, and more easily?
Hence the big british sell off !!
The primary reason for this was of course the militant unions !!
Donkeyman! 👎😟👎
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prices_and_Incomes_Accord
The Accord had exactly the effect that Thatcher sought by reducing the power of the Unions and their eventual demise also but restructured the economy which allowed Australia to have 30 years of economic growth without a recession.
If anybody thinks that Thatcher was good for the UK they need their bumps felt, she was merely slightly more destructive than the conga line of useless non-entities that preceeded and followed her.
14-08-2020, 10:09 AM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by Bruce
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And yet, Assman, at the same time that Thatcher was wrecking the social fabric of Britain in Australia the Hawke/Keating government introduced The Accord.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prices_and_Incomes_Accord
The Accord had exactly the effect that Thatcher sought by reducing the power of the Unions and their eventual demise also but restructured the economy which allowed Australia to have 30 years of economic growth without a recession.
If anybody thinks that Thatcher was good for the UK they need their bumps felt, she was merely slightly more destructive than the conga line of useless non-entities that preceeded and followed her.
14-08-2020, 10:10 AM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Erm... may I lend you my volume of "the Rise and Fall of the British Empire"? 
The British, as with other civilised countries like France, Spain, Holland and Portugal took civilisation to the great unwashed. Running water, sanitation, railways, communications and in some cases religion, in exchange for some of the riches that that country could provide, nobody works for nothing!.....But as with every other miracle of it's time, outlives it's usefulness and goes to the extreme.
Take the unions for example; They came to the fore just when they were needed and provided the working man/woman with decent working conditions and a fair wage. Then they became counter productive and were responsible for the demise of British Industry.
And so it is with Globalism. It served its purpose at the time and allowed the odd trade deals with other countries without all the red tape we see today with the likes of the EU.
Now bring in the big multinational corporations who have no borders or allegiance to any country and trade where the labour and materials are cheapest. They care not about the working man, and pay lip service to health and safety. They are more powerful than any government, and can inflict more pain and suffering than any war.
Again, I praise Donald Trump for wanting to break up these large companies and restore fair competition, wealth, jobs, and industry to the American people....Modern day globalism sucks Annie.....
14-08-2020, 10:25 AM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Margaret Thatcher saved the UK.
Unfortunately, a lot of people hate her for their own personal reasons and, for that reason, choose to ignore all the good she did for this country.
We haven't had a half-decent PM since and look at what has happened to the country.
14-08-2020, 10:27 AM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by oldgreyfox
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the british empire was a different kettle of fish entirely annie.....The british, as with other civilised countries like france, spain, holland and portugal took civilisation to the great unwashed. Running water, sanitation, railways, communications and in some cases religion, in exchange for some of the riches that that country could provide, nobody works for nothing!.....but as with every other miracle of it's time, outlives it's usefulness and goes to the extreme.
Take the unions for example; they came to the fore just when they were needed and provided the working man/woman with decent working conditions and a fair wage. Then they became counter productive and were responsible for the demise of british industry.
And so it is with globalism. It served its purpose at the time and allowed the odd trade deals with other countries without all the red tape we see today with the likes of the eu.
Now bring in the big multinational corporations who have no borders or allegiance to any country and trade where the labour and materials are cheapest. They care not about the working man, and pay lip service to health and safety. They are more powerful than any government, and can inflict more pain and suffering than any war.
Again, i praise donald trump for wanting to break up these large companies and restore fair competition, wealth, jobs, and industry to the american people....modern day globalism sucks annie.....
14-08-2020, 11:48 AM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by JBR
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Unfortunately, a lot of people hate her for their own personal reasons and, for that reason, choose to ignore all the good she did for this country.
We haven't had a half-decent PM since and look at what has happened to the country.
more backbone than any or all of our so called leaders in the last
100 years??
She faced and beat the communist unions of the time !
She faced and beat the facist Argentina over the Falkland islands !
And she stood up to the grasping EU commissioners !
The one mistake she made imo, was that in order to destroy the
unions she decided she had to remove their power base first,
Which of course was the workers, which she did by colluding with
industrialists to sell off their assets and close down their
businesses, and invest the proceeds on the stock exchange?
So the lndustrialists were happy with their stocks and shares !
The workers were happy with their severance packages !
But the unions were finished, ok, but the country itself was left
with thousands of redundant skilled workers living on dwindling
redundancy payouts which had seemed great in the beginning
and little prospect of getting a skilled job again??
You probably know all of this but this is my analysis of events in uk
at that time?
Fortunately for me l was not here to see it, as l decided to emigrate
before Maggie took over due to being fed up with union
interference !!
Donkeyman! 😁😁😁
14-08-2020, 12:01 PM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by Bruce
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And yet, Assman, at the same time that Thatcher was wrecking the social fabric of Britain in Australia the Hawke/Keating government introduced The Accord.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prices_and_Incomes_Accord
The Accord had exactly the effect that Thatcher sought by reducing the power of the Unions and their eventual demise also but restructured the economy which allowed Australia to have 30 years of economic growth without a recession.
If anybody thinks that Thatcher was good for the UK they need their bumps felt, she was merely slightly more destructive than the conga line of useless non-entities that preceeded and followed her.
unions in thse days,
But luckily for you you could solve it a different way??
Probably because your work force was not so large??
Imo you should keep it that way and keep your population stable?
You dont need more people !!
Donkeyman! 👍👍😇😇👍👍
14-08-2020, 01:57 PM
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Re: Uk in Recession.
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Sorry to be obtuseAerolor, but why should young peope want to retire in europe? Arent they supposed to be paying tax to pay
for my pension?
Donkeyman 😇😇😇
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