03-08-2020, 08:04 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by 7779311
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Hi Solasch,thank you for your interesting information. In my view you seem to be well informed about many things which some people here do not want to admit.
Anyway, chancellor Merkel recently mentioned, that there are sums being spent on e. g. border control, refugees and/or migraion which may be declared as defence costs. Therefore she thinks of paying these out of the defence budget which will increase our percentage of currently I think something like 1.25%.
It may be a question of what we define as defence costs and so we can come closer to the 2 percent.
03-08-2020, 08:13 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Bread
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Try spending on defence.Inviting 1 million asylum seekers over to bomb buildings, stab people, drive trucks into crowds isn't what we had in mind when it comes to NATO spending.
Neither was the €10,000 each to send them home again.
03-08-2020, 09:05 PM
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It seems half the troops will be returning home to the USA ... and the remainder is to be deployed in other NATO countries.Especially Belgium and Italy which is odd if the complaint is that Germany isn't paying its defence dues.
Germany currently only coughs up 1.5% of its agreed 2% dues.
yet Belgium spends less than 1% ... and Italy comes in at 1.2%.
Trump just wants to move his troops around and has his facts wrong, not a new thing.
Even so, he's threatened to withdraw the USA from NATO altogether in the past.
Two ways of looking at it really ...
He feels put on, like America is bearing the burden, but this is what happens when you appoint yourself as the worlds policeman and expect other countries to toe the line and fall in with whoever you want to attack, whenever, at a moments notice.
It must be tough at the top.
03-08-2020, 09:33 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Solasch
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It's a trick bookkeepers use all the time. In britain the cost of security for nuclear plants (for electricity) is funded out of the budget of the MoD. https://www.ft.com/content/d9c479ee-...3-eea0cae3f0de nothing to do with defence, but it does the trick...
It is so much easier to bash the Germans for anything and now it is you ruining everything...
(irony off, thank you again for the link.)
03-08-2020, 09:37 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Solasch
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You should read your own link. New american troops will be stationed in poland and the baltic region.2500 american troops will remain in the UK to keep an eye on the british to make sure you behave....
04-08-2020, 07:53 AM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Even Greece manages to honor its commitments to NATO.A cost over run by the way is additional cost in excess of budget. Something Solasch doesn't know which is no surprise. Defending nuclear power stations should be funded out of the MOD anyway ... why would we defend Nuclear Power Stations from attacks from terrorists and rogue nations with the fire brigade or the NHS ? It's totally different to Germany inviting terrorists over and then paying them to go home out of their defence budget, but it may explain why German troops run around using broom handles instead of guns
Little Solasch should speak to Mr Rutte about the 35 billion in missing NATO payments from the Netherlands.
..... No principles you see
04-08-2020, 01:17 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Bread
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Even Greece manages to honor its commitments to NATO.A cost over run by the way is additional cost in excess of budget. Something Solasch doesn't know which is no surprise. Defending nuclear power stations should be funded out of the MOD anyway ... why would we defend Nuclear Power Stations from attacks from terrorists and rogue nations with the fire brigade or the NHS ? It's totally different to Germany inviting terrorists over and then paying them to go home out of their defence budget, but it may explain why German troops run around using broom handles instead of guns
Little Solasch should speak to Mr Rutte about the 35 billion in missing NATO payments from the Netherlands.
..... No principles you see
Despite government promises, its annual report also found the UK’s total defence cash is only 1.7% of the country’s GDP, breaching the longheld NATO minimum target of spending 2%.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/115030...taken-germany/
04-08-2020, 03:08 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
You can see how many countries don't honour their commitments herehttps://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ing-by-country
05-08-2020, 12:49 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Bread
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You can see how many countries don't honour their commitments herehttps://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ing-by-country
As you know the "commitment" is to spent 2% of gdp on defence by 2024. So countries not on the 2% goal still have three years to make that happen.
In your list especially luxemburg is behind on their growthpath. If you consider how wealthy that country is, and how small, with 2% of their gdp spent on defence, you'll find a howitzer on every streetcorner.
So perhaps an autistic clinging to the 2% is not the way to go?
05-08-2020, 10:46 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Bread
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You can see how many countries don't honour their commitments herehttps://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ing-by-country
We do as well, of course.
The other EU countries, who have the good fortune to hide behind the 'front line' plus, incidentally, Canada feel that they don't have to contribute what they initially agreed to.
Yes. I believe Trump did the right thing. I'm hoping that he will continue to support this one of his allies - the UK.
Although I have maintained before that I believe that Russia no longer has any expansionist intentions, it is impossible to assume that it will not happen in the future.
Whether or not you like the Americans or not, it cannot be denied that we in Europe owe our continued freedom to them.
Certainly the EU alone, even with its much vaunted 'EU Army', wouldn't last five minutes against a concerted attack by Russia without America's help.
If you look at a map of Orwell's famous novel '1984' you would see two of the great alliances/empires of the world, Eurasia and Oceania.
What a striking similarity to what might one day happen following our escape from the EU and their inability or unwillingness to defend themselves!
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