10-07-2019, 03:40 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Had trump known how to behave as a statesman, he would have handed darroch his passports. In other words, sent him home, and not been drawn into the open and publicly show his own ineptness (again).
10-07-2019, 04:56 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Dismissing an ambassador really isn't that simple. In any case the POTUS was absolutely right to bring this into the publics attention.
He didn't bring it in public it was already, he let himself be drawn into the discussion.
10-07-2019, 05:18 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiIt is the function of all our Diplomats to report honestly on issues with Foreign Governments.
Their job is not only to represent the UK but also to be our eyes and ears.
This has always been the case and until now it has been done in total confidence.
All Countries defend their ambassadors fiercely, they only way they are withdrawn is in preparation for an Act of War.
No other Country in the World would allow it's Diplomats to be chosen by other Countries.
Boris, our next PM, did not support him.
This is a huge mistake.
It has demeaned us in the eyes of the rest of the World.
It has proved without any doubt that Boris is a sycophant
,who is not fit to be our PM.
Whitehall Sources?
Easily found and dismissed with No Notice and no Pension and prosecuted to boot.
Civil Servants cannot reply, Boris has given Open Season on all our Diplomats to every Dictator in the World.
This will encourage Black Ops against all our Diplomats .
This is not in our interests.
He was fully supported by our Foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt.
He was not supported by Boris.
There is a huge uproar in Parliament, from MPs of all sides about this.
It is not Kim who should resign, it is Boris.
Boris
This is done in absolute convidence until now.
No-one has said it was Kim himself that is responsible for the leaked documents, but he must surely know who had access to same and investigated. Instead, we heard not a peep from him. Why not?
Once upon a time, our Civil Servants were the most highly respected group in the world. Never seen nor heard, but the backbone of any party in government. NEVER once, were there any such thing as document leakage.
Nowadays, they not only believe they can do, say and act how they want, they actually believe it is they, and not any government cabinet running the country.
It is about time they were put back into their box and made known that they can be sacked for the slightest wrongdoing
They have become much too big for their own boots..
10-07-2019, 05:18 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by the artful todger
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hunt should step down as secretary of state for foreign and commonwealth affairs because of the totally inappropriate manner in which he handled the leak.International diplomacy has certain conventions. One is to ensure that ambassadors never cause embarrassment to the country that they have been placed.
If an ambassador does cause embarrassment then irrespective of anything and everything they must be recalled, not ever have what they have done attempt to be justified or supported be they right or wrong.
hunt blew it. What had been a highly offensive communique from a man leaked by the actions of hunt the contents of the communique then become underwritten by hmg.
That was and is inexcusable, and makes hunt's suitability to be the pm of the uk totally unacceptable.
10-07-2019, 06:13 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiIt is the function of all our Diplomats to report honestly on issues with Foreign Governments.
Their job is not only to represent the UK but also to be our eyes and ears.
This has always been the case and until now it has been done in total confidence.
All Countries defend their ambassadors fiercely, they only way they are withdrawn is in preparation for an Act of War.
No other Country in the World would allow it's Diplomats to be chosen by other Countries.
Boris, our next PM, did not support him.
This is a huge mistake.
It has demeaned us in the eyes of the rest of the World.
It has proved without any doubt that Boris is a sycophant
,who is not fit to be our PM.
Whitehall Sources?
Easily found and dismissed with No Notice and no Pension and prosecuted to boot.
Civil Servants cannot reply, Boris has given Open Season on all our Diplomats to every Dictator in the World.
This will encourage Black Ops against all our Diplomats .
This is not in our interests.
He was fully supported by our Foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt.
He was not supported by Boris.
There is a huge uproar in Parliament, from MPs of all sides about this.
It is not Kim who should resign, it is Boris.
This is done in absolute convidence until now.
10-07-2019, 07:10 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
I always expect Diplomats to be Diplomatic.If they are not able to do that, then they should assume that they will be found out because almost everything leaks these days!
I hate to think how many such leaks are now being lined up with reference to other Countries.
This guy will not have been the only idiot.
10-07-2019, 07:16 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
I don't think he is an idiot.Perhaps diplomats should go back to writing letters and put them in the Diplomatic bag as before.
Ambassadors must be able to say what they perceive to be the truth and report to the government .
That's what they are paid for.
10-07-2019, 07:31 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by Muddy
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I don't think he is an idiot.Perhaps diplomats should go back to writing letters and put them in the Diplomatic bag as before.
Ambassadors must be able to say what they perceive to be the truth and report to the government .
That's what they are paid for.
10-07-2019, 07:34 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
I am gobsmacked that some people are heaping the blame for this embarrassing leak on the Ambassador and blaming the Foreign Secretary for supporting his diplomatic staff.Firstly, Kim Darroch has done nothing wrong and has behaved honourably since his confidential diplomatic messages were leaked and published by a national newspaper.
Jeremy Hunt, as Foreign Secretary, responded quite properly in defending the Ambassador, who was doing the job he had been employed to do, and diplomatically saying that the views expressed in Darroch’s reports were not necessarily his own views or the views of our Government.
The blame for this lies squarely in the lap of whoever leaked those documents in the first place, whether it was a foreign agency hacking into them to cause trouble or someone from Britain who was prepared to break the Official Secrets Act to further their own agenda.
When looking for the culprit, ask yourself who stands to gain from this?
Certainly not Kim Darroch or anyone who would have preferred him to remain as “our man in Washington”
I have heard a lot of talk from the ardent Brexiteers, criticising the civil service for their alleged “pro-remain” bias and I have also heard a lot of talk from certain quarters saying that our UK Ambassador to the US should be a pro-Brexit businessman who could leverage the UK/US relationship to better effect for future trade deals.
Whoever leaked this information, whether a foreign agency or an internal traitor, the timing is rather convenient to get rid of the current Ambassador and clear the way for the new PM to appoint his own choice of “our man in Washington” - someone who was more “in tune” with the POTUS.
At least Jeremy Hunt showed some backbone in his spirited defence of Darroch, the diplomatic service in general and the insistence that our choice of Ambassadors were a matter for us and not to be dictated by others,
Johnson flunked it - perhaps deliberately distancing himself and refusing to neither condemn nor support Darroch. His duplicity is effortless - he has had a lifetime of practice.
10-07-2019, 07:34 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by Muddy
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I don't think he is an idiot.Perhaps diplomats should go back to writing letters and put them in the Diplomatic bag as before.
Ambassadors must be able to say what they perceive to be the truth and report to the government .
That's what they are paid for.
We see them all in those political TV Dramas!
But his still went ahead, arrogantly, and risked our relationships with the US (and others).
Can't wait for the political tit for tats to get under way.
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