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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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I think you're right. As far as I know, we have no intention of putting up a hard border. If there should be one, it will be at the demand of the EU and who gives a toss about them?
Exactly JBR

Call their bluff
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I very much doubt it.

Nobody is putting up a hard border ...
Lets hope you are right Bread
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17-09-2019, 09:42 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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Lets hope you are right Bread
The hard border is there by law. Who is going to uphold it is quite another question. Trouble(s) ahead.
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The hard border is there by law. Who is going to uphold it is quite another question. Trouble(s) ahead.
Oh.... so wrong ...
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18-09-2019, 10:34 AM
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This whole Irish border issue is being used by the EU as a stick to beat the U.K. with.
We don’t want a hard border, the Irish don’t want one, so who exactly is going to build it?
A hard border would be a violation of the Good Friday agreement, but the EU want one and are somehow twisting reality to make it our fault. Incredible!!
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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This whole Irish border issue is being used by the EU as a stick to beat the U.K. with.
We don’t want a hard border, the Irish don’t want one, so who exactly is going to build it?
A hard border would be a violation of the Good Friday agreement, but the EU want one and are somehow twisting reality to make it our fault. Incredible!!
We should just ignore them.

And while we're at it, ignore the remoaners among us too.

Especially, ignore Nadira Singh.
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18-09-2019, 11:38 AM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Originally Posted by Patriot1967 ->
This whole Irish border issue is being used by the EU as a stick to beat the U.K. with.
We don’t want a hard border, the Irish don’t want one, so who exactly is going to build it?
A hard border would be a violation of the Good Friday agreement, but the EU want one and are somehow twisting reality to make it our fault. Incredible!!
Here is another way of looking at it.

If, by some miracle Parliament approves Mays (awful) withdrawal treaty, one thing is certain, that the UK will enter the backstop with no way out.

If this happens, there is nothing to stop the EU handing political control of Northern Ireland to the Republic. Should this happen, this would be a far bigger threat (and breach) of the Good Friday Agreement than a hard border ever would be.

So, Mays deal would be a bigger threat to the peace process in Ireland than building a wall.
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18-09-2019, 12:04 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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Here is another way of looking at it.

If, by some miracle Parliament approves Mays (awful) withdrawal treaty, one thing is certain, that the UK will enter the backstop with no way out.

If this happens, there is nothing to stop the EU handing political control of Northern Ireland to the Republic. Should this happen, this would be a far bigger threat (and breach) of the Good Friday Agreement than a hard border ever would be.

So, Mays deal would be a bigger threat to the peace process in Ireland than building a wall.
Worse still, there would be nothing to stop the EU taking complete political control of the UK, dividing England, Scotland and Wales into administrative 'regions', each under direct control of the EU.

So, in effect, the SNP would have achieved their objective of freeing themselves from the control of Westminster and handing their country to Brussels.

Perhaps they're too thick to see that, though.
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18-09-2019, 12:16 PM
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Hi

A couple of points.

NI voted Remain, the DUP are supporting Leave.

No Deal means WTO Rules which mean Border Checks,

It we do not have them then under WTO Rules, both the UK and the EU would have to abolish checks on the Borders for everyone.

There are two ways round this.

Firstly, establish NI as a special economic area.

Secondly put the checks at entry ports to the UK.

There would be an issue with sanitary and phytosanitary checks, but these can be dealt with, as Boris has proposed, by having Regulatory alignment with Ireland.

Only produce entering and leaving Mainland UK would be subject to them.

I quite agree that Varadkar is using this issue to get his United Ireland.

This cannot be allowed to continue.

The simple way of putting pressure on him is to tell him that if he continues with this nonsense we will abolish the common travel area between Eire and mainland UK.

We would not abolish it between Eire and NI.
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18-09-2019, 12:40 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
I quite agree that Varadkar is using this issue to get his United Ireland.

This cannot be allowed to continue.

The simple way of putting pressure on him is to tell him that if he continues with this nonsense we will abolish the common travel area between Eire and mainland UK.

We would not abolish it between Eire and NI.
This is something that I have long hoped for.

There would be no easy entry from the Pikeys who regularly come here to cause trouble, make areas into faecal and rubbish tips, and even steal money and property.
 
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