28-09-2019, 03:21 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Yes, Back in the business world we can spot those companies who have the old paradigm (why should we change what we're doing? - everything is all right as it is).So many firms have been wiped out by new methods used by online companies, like Amazon, and others, like Thomas Cook, have tried to sleepwalk their way through!
There is a big world out there. We need to agree deals, with all, for ourselves.
And we should run our own Country for our own population.
They are also predominantly base in the USA and Trump has already declared his hand if any country or trading bloc dares to make them pay taxes where transactions take place
No doubt you support these online companies
28-09-2019, 03:37 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Banchory
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One of the principle methods that many online companies have employed is pay comparatively little taxThey are also predominantly base in the USA and Trump has already declared his hand if any country or trading bloc dares to make them pay taxes where transactions take place
No doubt you support these online companies
28-09-2019, 09:52 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Banchory
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One of the principle methods that many online companies have employed is pay comparatively little taxThey are also predominantly base in the USA and Trump has already declared his hand if any country or trading bloc dares to make them pay taxes where transactions take place
No doubt you support these online companies
Surely we all attempt to pay the minimum tax and it's up to the Country to decide what that is?
28-09-2019, 11:51 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Can you criticise a company for finding a way to minimise the tax on it's income?
29-09-2019, 07:05 AM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Don't know about you, but, in my world, the number of "Bored out of their minds" and "What's the point of voting when they do what they want anyway" in our Public, has grown exponentially.This CBB (Can't Be Bothered) Group is one of the planned remainer projects which is certainly, in my opinion, going to sway any election, or referendum, their way.
As we go into this critical couple of weeks, I meet no-one who thinks that we have any shred of Democracy.
Even a recent declaration, by a EU leader, sneeringly, that we in the UK who think that the EU has no democracy should "look at ourselves".
I hope that those who have fought for the last three years keep trying - even if we have to kickstart Brexit in the new year.
Remember the old adage "Don't let the B......ds Grind you down"
(Swearing deliberate!)
Our votes aren’t worth shit, they only count if we vote the “right” way.
And we all know that the referendum would never have happened if Cameron had known he would lose. Amazing that someone with the best (well, most expensive!) education that money can buy, can be so out of touch with public opinion.
29-09-2019, 09:07 AM
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I think saying 'our votes don't count' is not a sensible or logical way to look at things, if 17.4 million people had said that we would never have had a chance to leave the EU at all.I will vote for the things in which I believe regardless of the opinions or actions of others and would do so if I was the last voter left standing. It is a matter of principle.
29-09-2019, 09:17 AM
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Me too Meg, even if mine was the only vote as you say.. There is far to much use made of tactical voting these days. to my mind its a corruption of the voting system and should be restricted. It certainly undermines the "one man one vote sentiment of the accepted practice of voting.29-09-2019, 10:24 AM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Can you criticise a company for finding a way to minimise the tax on it's income?Surely we all attempt to pay the minimum tax and it's up to the Country to decide what that is?
Additionally, and it’s not restricted to online companies, the use of various means such as undertaking the transaction sales made in this country in an office set up in another country or setting up internal franchises that effectively leaves no profit robs this country of tax revenue
You may think this to be a good thing but it ultimately results in lower services or higher personal taxation to fill the deficit
France has indicated it wants to impose a digital tech tax on the big social media companies and others to ensure they pay a fair rate of tax
Such is the money involved that Trump has threatened to respond with a substantial reciprocal action
The internal franchising to move money for tax purposes resulted in one of the major high street coffee chains paying less UK tax than than me one year
29-09-2019, 04:12 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Meg
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I think saying 'our votes don't count' is not a sensible or logical way to look at things, if 17.4 million people had said that we would never have had a chance to leave the EU at all.I will vote for the things in which I believe regardless of the opinions or actions of others and would do so if I was the last voter left standing. It is a matter of principle.
Yes, 17.4 million voted a particular way and were the majority. I was one of them, and will vote Leave again if we are ordered to. As every other referendum that the EU didn’t like, was made to.
But that is exactly my point; we voted a certain way, we were the majority, we won. And where are we at today? No further on, with no idea when or if we will leave.
So have our votes counted for anything?
If Remain do have there own way, and Brexit never happens, Democracy will be the big loser.
29-09-2019, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Banchory
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When there is no taxation parity between online companies using warehouses and those companies with traditional High Street retail premises which incur additional taxation those company and the high Street suffer from unfair competition Additionally, and it’s not restricted to online companies, the use of various means such as undertaking the transaction sales made in this country in an office set up in another country or setting up internal franchises that effectively leaves no profit robs this country of tax revenue
You may think this to be a good thing but it ultimately results in lower services or higher personal taxation to fill the deficit
France has indicated it wants to impose a digital tech tax on the big social media companies and others to ensure they pay a fair rate of tax
Such is the money involved that Trump has threatened to respond with a substantial reciprocal action
The internal franchising to move money for tax purposes resulted in one of the major high street coffee chains paying less UK tax than than me one year
I take it you've never heard of Luxembourg and how many of these online companies pay tax there instead if in france or germany or Spain etc
Businesses need to adapt- Debenhams is a good example of what happens when they dont.
As far as these digital companies are concerned they are paying the tax that they are required to pay. They also employ people ... something you missed out from your post.
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