24-08-2019, 12:59 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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We have simply not paid in enough to pay for our Pensions, I do not want my kids to pay for mine.
We need a 20% cut in State Pensions.
THERE IS NO POT
That means that it's the tax payers of today that are paying for your benefit.
It's been that way since the creation of the socialist "Welfare State" (and actually before).
Now the cut in the age related benefit.
Don't cut it, abandon it and introduce means testing in order to provide only the necessary benefits.
24-08-2019, 05:05 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by spitfire
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Did you have to queue at the food bank or the labour exchange, did house prices plummet??
There were no food banks, I fed myself in the old-fashioned way. Don't you dare patronize me!!
Perhaps some day you will know what you are talking about.
24-08-2019, 05:54 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
AT.You are suggesting we should get nothing when we are no longer capable of doing a day,s work.
Having worked hard all our lives and paid our taxes etc; we deserve nothing from the state.
I served eight years in the Kings army from 1944 till 1952 then five years in the Kings Territorial army. I worked full time till I was 70 then part time till 75.
Now I am at the age when I can no longer work and people like you say we don,t deserve a state pension. If we have not saved enough to live on when we retire then tough!
You are maybe one the very lucky ones who earned enough to be able to pay into a good pension scheme but there are millions who could not do this as their pay was so low.
I can give you one example. My Father was wounded and discharged from the Army during the first WW. He could only do very light work and could not afford to put into a pension scheme. Are you saying people like him who through no fault of their own should get nothing because they have put nothing in the pot?
If I am holding the 'wrong end of the stick' then I apologise.
24-08-2019, 06:17 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by big ben
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AT.You are suggesting we should get nothing when we are no longer capable of doing a day,s work.
Having worked hard all our lives and paid our taxes etc; we deserve nothing from the state.
I served eight years in the Kings army from 1944 till 1952 then five years in the Kings Territorial army. I worked full time till I was 70 then part time till 75.
Now I am at the age when I can no longer work and people like you say we don,t deserve a state pension. If we have not saved enough to live on when we retire then tough!
You are maybe one the very lucky ones who earned enough to be able to pay into a good pension scheme but there are millions who could not do this as their pay was so low.
I can give you one example. My Father was wounded and discharged from the Army during the first WW. He could only do very light work and could not afford to put into a pension scheme. Are you saying people like him who through no fault of their own should get nothing because they have put nothing in the pot?
If I am holding the 'wrong end of the stick' then I apologise.
You have nothing to apologise for BB because you are right!
Imo Todgy poses as hardarsed, but inside he is as soft as
marshmellow, he knows he is wrong!!
Regards Donkeyman!
24-08-2019, 06:55 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Firstly we have paid into NOTHING. The money that is paid as the state age related benefit comes out of each year's general taxation.THERE IS NO POT
That means that it's the tax payers of today that are paying for your benefit.
It's been that way since the creation of the socialist "Welfare State" (and actually before).
Now the cut in the age related benefit.
Don't cut it, abandon it and introduce means testing in order to provide only the necessary benefits.
In days of old Todgy, when the original labour party concieved
the national insurance scheme, it was presented to the
populace as a stand alone fund to finance all the things that
us lower classess hold dear, and which took decades to get
through parliament, it was in fact a pact with the people.
funded by the people with assistance from the employers
to build up a fund to support working class people when
they fell sick or fell on hard times!
Dont forget this was fully funded by workers and employers at
that time!
Once a pool of money gradually accumulated others got their
greedy eyes on this floating money, the government being one
of them, who gradually manipulated things bso that the fund
money became incorperated into the general fiscus!
ln other words the government stole the workers money!!!
Other interventions also took place which also contributed to
the decline of the NI system!
Imo the only way to correct things is to remove NI from the
Fiscus and adjust the members contributions, not forgetting
the money that was stolen by the state of course!
Regards Donkeyman!
24-08-2019, 07:00 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiYes you could.
At least if you did it may stop you whinging.
You where an overpaid git who contributed nothing to the UK Economy.
You simply cannot compete in the World Economy, you are now a drain on our resources, people like me who can compete, pay for you.
I have my Pensions, paid for, in full.
I can earn £40k a year for 8 hours a week.
Can you?
I don't of course, I work for my Son to pay his Medical Bills.
I get Minimum Wage, an hour a week, the rest goes to him
Walter? Cheap posts.
You are just jealous because you are a complete failure.
A useless IT Tech who cannot even earn Minimum Wage.
24-08-2019, 08:41 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe must recognise that we must all take our share of the pain, including Pensioners.
The Triple Lock must go, we simply cannot afford it.
I factored that into my decision to Vote Leave.
We have simply not paid in enough to pay for our Pensions, I do not want my kids to pay for mine.
We need a 20% cut in State Pensions.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiYou could not complete in the Global Environment.
Nobody owes you a living.
The stupidity of what we were paying the Banks
, and people like you, caused the Crash.
Cheap posts like Walter, simply do not cut the Mustard, I am fine.
I have Pensions of £2631 a month after Tax,
Boris needs us back.
Does he need you back?
Nope, not at all.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiYes you could.
I have my Pensions, paid for, in full.
I can earn £40k a year for 8 hours a week.
Can you?
.
24-08-2019, 09:46 PM
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Re: is the EU beginning to fall apart?
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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In days of old Todgy, when the original labour party concievedthe national insurance scheme, it was presented to the
populace as a stand alone fund to finance all the things that
us lower classess hold dear, and which took decades to get
through parliament, it was in fact a pact with the people.
funded by the people with assistance from the employers
to build up a fund to support working class people when
they fell sick or fell on hard times!
Dont forget this was fully funded by workers and employers at
that time!
Once a pool of money gradually accumulated others got their
greedy eyes on this floating money, the government being one
of them, who gradually manipulated things bso that the fund
money became incorperated into the general fiscus!
ln other words the government stole the workers money!!!
Other interventions also took place which also contributed to
the decline of the NI system!
Imo the only way to correct things is to remove NI from the
Fiscus and adjust the members contributions, not forgetting
the money that was stolen by the state of course!
They're happy to feed third-world countries (foreign aid) and our many illegal immigrants for no real reason other than unfounded generosity, whilst at the same time claiming that they can't afford to pay pensions to our own who have worked all their lives and house our own ex-servicemen.
I wonder if our own needy were to get in a little rubber dinghy and make it across the Channel, whether our 'friends' in France would be so kind as to give us free housing and handouts.
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