Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Spot on DM.

They have appointed themselves as the only people who know what they are talking about but they lose every argument and resort to behaving like little children, shouting insults and calling people liars if they don't understand.

Typical behaviour of the brainwashed EU fanatic.

They can't tell you the future of the EU though (I've asked many times) - so they can't tell you what they voted for but they seem to become Nostradamus when it comes to the leave vote and project fear. They can even read your mind and explain to you what you voted for ...

There is no boundary to the hypocrisy of the die hard EU fanatic

Maybe we should rename Project Fear as a "Tony Blair Brexit"

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Well said! DM and Bread. You have them to a tee.

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

We voted for OUT, Gascony
We had a majority!
Should be enough said?
But you lot go into hyperhysteria and dream up 50 kinds of
brexit to cloud the waters?
We have faced the issues for 40 odd years, imo you are
the one thats hanging on??

Regards Donkeyman!

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

For the remain eu fanatics they are desperate for brexit to be a disaster. They couldn't cope when they were wrong in the referendum and they will be inconsolable when they are wrong about project fear.

In december they will be telling everyone they voted leave - anything but admitting they were wrong

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Indeed! It's time to stand on your own two legs, not be dependent any longer on the EU.

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Is it not ironic that the familiarity we all now have with borderless trade and movement, us being in the EU and all that, makes it so difficult for people to imagine a border between the north and south in Ireland (that is, between the UK and the EU)? As an island we do not see physical borders anywhere - except in Ireland. And that went with the EU membership and the single market / customs union.
Now we find it so very hard to imagine a land border. We only see them if we travel far and extensively. It is almost as if the notion of a hard physical land border is the exception. Therefore we imagine them to be strange and not needed.
The opposite is true. Between countries there are physical borders and checks - unless the two countries are in some unique trading bloc. The normal thing with land borders is to have a physical border and checks on the movement of goods and people. This is the norm. There are no land borders outside of trade blocs that have seamless, free flowing movement - even with technological support.
If such a border did exist (say between an exited UK and the EU) this would be an exceptional thing. In fact it would represent exceptional trading arrangements. Unique.

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

**Off topic bickering removed...

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

You are absolutely right RS. In the early 1970's my husband was a military advisor seconded from the Royal Military College of Science to a government project tasked with developing a piece of kit to detect terrorists crossing the Irish/Northern Ireland border. It was a near-impossible task because of the nature of the border with many small tracks crossing farmland. A detection device was developed but its application was limited to main routes. Crossing the border remained an easy task for anyone wishing to do so.


There are already methods being used to enable easy cross border trade between the two Irelands with their different currencies and taxes , all this talk about hard or soft borders is a lot of nonsense talked up by a protectionist EU who are terrified anyone might try to break away from their iron grip of control.

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Yet the problem will arise with a no deal exit and the UK falling into world trade on WTO basis. But not quite that simple as the UK government has committed to an open border in Ireland. The problem is that we can't have an open border, no checks and still claim we treat our trading relationship with the EU as we do our trading relationship with other countries. There is no imminent technology or smart solution - that is a myth. Other countries will look at this open border, the lack of checks for conformity and the very leaky applications of tariffs and call foul.
So don't look to the past for false comfort. Expect there to be complaints and actions against the UK for breaking WTO rules. That is the challenge. Or expect the UK to quietly move the border to the Irish Sea. That is the easy answer.

Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Ok, there's probably an obvious answer but I'll ask anyway. What's the difference between the NI/Ireland border and the Norway/Sweden border and does this offer a solution acceptable to NI and the EU?