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09-06-2020, 06:40 PM
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What I have noticed about those who intimate they are police officers - always have plenty of time to go and on social forums .

I always thought the police were snowed under with paperwork and that’s why they haven’t the time to come out for burglaries .
Muddy, Exactly! .... but l suppose intimating that you are a police officer gives you more clout and credibility!
Oh, what’s the punishment these days for impersonating a police officer?

A genuine police officer would not admit on a public forum that they were in the police force, unless they were maybe, retired.
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09-06-2020, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Zuleika ->
So are you saying I misheard what the McCanns said many times during interviews about the window and shutters during many interviews? Misheard Clarence Mitchell telling reporters the window wasn't in fact open ?
If you weren't there, it's meaningless!

Next...!
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09-06-2020, 07:10 PM
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Some are saying, she died in accidental circumstances and the parents covered it up. So how do you think she died?

She wasn’t tall enough to reach the cooker. Did she fall and die? Now as far as l know, children of her age their bones are still very soft and supple, they are more likely to bounce and roll in a fall.
Did she get a knife out of the drawer and cut herself and bleed to death... well she might have done, that’s if she could reach?
Did the apartment go on fire? No evidence of that so she didn’t die of burning.

.... but wait, according to some on here, she’d been given an overdose of Calpol, so wouldn’t she be ‘knocked out’, in a deep sleep and incapable of doing anything that would kill her?

So, if she wasn’t abducted. Please tell me how on earth did she die?
Art IF the dogs finding are correct she died possibly from falling off the back of the sofa onto the tiled floor hence the dogs alerting to blood traces and spatters and cadaver scent by the other dog . Each dog a specialist in it's own field so both dogs would have had to be wrong if you see what I mean and they didn't alert to any other apt. when taken there
Parents not present of course

You're being provocative suggesting she was knocked out with Calpol prior to them when it's not a sedative but not wrong in suggesting little fingers getting into mischief and .... who knows ?
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09-06-2020, 07:14 PM
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Why were you there sat with them ?
So what ?
It’s doesn’t make an iota of difference whether the shutters were opened or closed .
You would be no good as a crime scene investigator or anything to do with the police with that kind of thinking.

The issue with the window is very important because in their sworn statements to the police, on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, they both say the window and the blind was open. This is crucial because again in Kate's sworn statement to the police, she said she always kept the window and the blind closed. By claiming the window and the blind was open, the parents automatically put forward the theory that someone gained entry to the property via the window, came through the window, took their daughter and went back out through the window.

If you bothered to look through the case files, you will see the crime scene investigators put that theory to the test to see if they could open the blind and the window from the outside. They proved it was not possible because due to the way the blind is manufactured, the blind can only be opened from the inside. Again, due to the way the blind was manufactured, it would be extremely difficult to force the blind open from the outside. The investigators said it was possible BUT it would have made a lot of noise and the blinds would have been damaged in the process. If you looked at the links to the crime scene photo's i gave, you will have noticed there is no damage to the blinds and that the blinds and the window are closed.

This led to the conclusion that point of entry to the property was not gained through the window which as a result of the investigations, called into question the validity of the statements made by both Kate and Gerry regarding what they said about the window and the blind.

Telling a lie, a fib, a falsehood on a sworn statement is not good no matter what country your in and it is also not a good start to any investigation when the investigating team find out that what is in the statement does not match up with what the investigating team have found.
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09-06-2020, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Morticia ->
You know Art it has to be said ... I can't believe you're been so deliberately facetious as you are in the first post. It reads like an episode of 'The Two Ronnies' . Slapstick humour isn't really appropriate when a child went missing, probably is dead. A little sensitivity , please.
Don't pack up your hairdressing skills for detective work.

As to another member's occupation, current or retired ... what difference does it make?
Please stop trying to derail the thread or turn into a farce.

Otherwise, I've wondered myself if Maddie was abducted how it was achieved with so little fuss, that no one noticed, and the apartment was left virtually undisturbed.
It didn't help that Portuguese police allowed the crime scene to get contaminated.
Morticia well said . Tho your last sentence not strictly true.
the first two local police were only told a child was missing from her bed . They didn't speak nor understand English so this had to be done , translated , by the manager of the Ocean Club. It was not a crime scene . Madeleine could have simply walked out?
It was only when the parents knelt down wailing and insisting she'd been abducted that they had to get in touch with the PJ. Quite right too .
But before even the local police arrived people had been in and out of rooms .
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09-06-2020, 07:21 PM
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Blood comes from many sources especially if you have children they could have stubbed a toe . The people who rented the apartment the week before could have stubbed their toes .
You are relying on the sniffer dogs they can’t speak they are dogs that is why their alerts are not taken as valid without collaborating evidence Ie a cadaver .
Sniffer dogs alerted in the case of Shanna Matthews but she wasn’t even dead .
Sniffer dogs ( they same dogs in fact ) alerted in the children’s home in Jersey yet experts ( a pathologist and a archeologist ) could not agree if they they were human bones or chicken bones .
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09-06-2020, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Zuleika ->
Art IF the dogs finding are correct she died possibly from falling off the back of the sofa onto the tiled floor hence the dogs alerting to blood traces and spatters and cadaver scent by the other dog . Each dog a specialist in it's own field so both dogs would have had to be wrong if you see what I mean and they didn't alert to any other apt. when taken there
Parents not present of course

You're being provocative suggesting she was knocked out with Calpol prior to them when it's not a sedative but not wrong in suggesting little fingers getting into mischief and .... who knows ?


Personally, I can't imagine that so much Zuleiker. I can't imagine a kiddie half asleep (perhaps) going climbing on sofa backs.
What I can imagine though, is if someone wanted to cart her off and wanted to quieten her screaming perhaps, a swift blow to her head would have silenced her and also account for the blood the dogs found?

As Muddy said though, just because the dogs found blood, does it mean it was fresh blood though?
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09-06-2020, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dodge ->
You would be no good as a crime scene investigator or anything to do with the police with that kind of thinking.

The issue with the window is very important because in their sworn statements to the police, on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, they both say the window and the blind was open. This is crucial because again in Kate's sworn statement to the police, she said she always kept the window and the blind closed. By claiming the window and the blind was open, the parents automatically put forward the theory that someone gained entry to the property via the window, came through the window, took their daughter and went back out through the window.

If you bothered to look through the case files, you will see the crime scene investigators put that theory to the test to see if they could open the blind and the window from the outside. They proved it was not possible because due to the way the blind is manufactured, the blind can only be opened from the inside. Again, due to the way the blind was manufactured, it would be extremely difficult to force the blind open from the outside. The investigators said it was possible BUT it would have made a lot of noise and the blinds would have been damaged in the process. If you looked at the links to the crime scene photo's i gave, you will have noticed there is no damage to the blinds and that the blinds and the window are closed.

This led to the conclusion that point of entry to the property was not gained through the window which as a result of the investigations, called into question the validity of the statements made by both Kate and Gerry regarding what they said about the window and the blind.

Telling a lie, a fib, a falsehood on a sworn statement is not good no matter what country your in and it is also not a good start to any investigation when the investigating team find out that what is in the statement does not match up with what the investigating team have found.
As they were distraught I expect they didn’t know what they were saying .
In fact it makes no difference at all .
The point here is that the child had gone not if the windows and shutters were open/ closed these are not really important.
People do make mistakes in statements especially under traumatic circumstances.
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09-06-2020, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Muddy ->
Why were you there sat with them ?
So what ?
It’s doesn’t make an iota of difference whether the shutters were opened or closed .
I was listening and watching of course.
it doesnt make an iota of difference !!!!?
The whole story of the alleged abduction rested on their tales of an open window and tampered shutters relayed to the UK that night as the means the alleged abductor had used !
It was only later that the tale of the unlocked door came out which they then denied Madeleine would have been able to use despite saying they'd left it open for her in statements .
Police are always suspicious when stories are changed .
In fact the whole case is riddled with inconsistencies by the Tapas group .
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09-06-2020, 07:35 PM
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Let’s us get this straight and clear .
You were listening and watching of course .

So you were sat in the interviewing room with the police and the McCanns .
You were in Portugal ?

There was no secret that the door was open all the other people knew it and would have said as much in their accounts of checking the room.
 
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