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They might be so advanced that we are a result of their exploration.....
wait until we all get to the "other side" then it will really get exciting and we will be exclaiming "OH that's how it's done - I never thought of that"!
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They might be so advanced that we are a result of their exploration.....
Yes indeed. That, too, has been suggested by many authorities.
And then there are the great pyramids...
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11-09-2018, 09:32 AM
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Yes indeed. That, too, has been suggested by many authorities.
And then there are the great pyramids...
We visited the Vatican while on holiday a couple of years ago, and there were large fabric maps hanging on the walls featuring of some of the Mediterranean Islands. They were reported to have been done sometime before the thirteenth century.
The detail was so accurate, it was suggested they could only have been mapped from the air......
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11-09-2018, 09:44 AM
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Re: search for second earth

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We visited the Vatican while on holiday a couple of years ago, and there were large fabric maps hanging on the walls featuring of some of the Mediterranean Islands. They were reported to have been done sometime before the thirteenth century.
The detail was so accurate, it was suggested they could only have been mapped from the air......
I'm interested in maps so I Googled that .....

Were the walls the Gallery of Maps .....
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I'm interested in maps so I Googled that .....

Were the walls the Gallery of Maps .....
Yes they were Omah, this is the photograph I took while walking down the corridor inside the Vatican. On the right hand side you can see all of the maps adorning the wall all the way down to the Sistine Chapel.....

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11-09-2018, 11:21 AM
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Yes they were Omah, this is the photograph I took while walking down the corridor inside the Vatican. On the right hand side you can see all of the maps adorning the wall all the way down to the Sistine Chapel.....
Amazing ......

But not, apparently, as old as you remember:

The Gallery of Maps (Italian: Galleria delle carte geografiche) is a gallery located on the west side of the Belvedere Courtyard in the Vatican containing a series of painted topographical maps of Italy based on drawings by friar and geographer Ignazio Danti.

The gallery was commissioned in 1580 by Pope Gregory XIII as part of other artistic works commissioned by the Pope to decorate the Vatican. It took Danti three years (1580–1583) to complete the 40 panels of the 120 m long gallery.
Here's one with an "aerial" view:



I must try to get a selection of these incredible images for my collection of maps, which are mostly British or "world" .....
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11-09-2018, 09:00 PM
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Re: search for second earth

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Amazing ......

But not, apparently, as old as you remember:



Here's one with an "aerial" view:



I must try to get a selection of these incredible images for my collection of maps, which are mostly British or "world" .....
It was a while ago Omah, and my memory is not as good as it once was. I do recall the surprise when I heard how accurate the maps had been without being able to view it from above........Or did they?
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11-09-2018, 09:53 PM
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It was a while ago Omah, and my memory is not as good as it once was. I do recall the surprise when I heard how accurate the maps had been without being able to view it from above........Or did they?
The extent of land as shown on those maps could not possibly be seen from any altitude other than outside the earth's atmosphere. Certainly, the only means of flight that could possibly have been attempted in those days would have been balloons, and even so they came later.

Could they have been done by direct measurements taken from the earth's surface? I suspect not, especially as the map shown includes large areas of sea.

So how could they have been produced so accurately?

Is it possible that there has been some jiggery pokery? Could they be modern fraudulent productions, artificially aged?
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11-09-2018, 10:22 PM
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Re: search for second earth

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The extent of land as shown on those maps could not possibly be seen from any altitude other than outside the earth's atmosphere. Certainly, the only means of flight that could possibly have been attempted in those days would have been balloons, and even so they came later.

Could they have been done by direct measurements taken from the earth's surface? I suspect not, especially as the map shown includes large areas of sea.

So how could they have been produced so accurately?

Is it possible that there has been some jiggery pokery? Could they be modern fraudulent productions, artificially aged?
I suppose that's possible JB, but there has also been some impressive civil engineering projects discovered that would have not been easy to build using today's technology.
I also believe some very accurate star charts have been discovered, and the stone circles present around the British Isles have also been linked to astronomical positioning occurances.
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11-09-2018, 11:06 PM
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Re: search for second earth

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I suppose that's possible JB, but there has also been some impressive civil engineering projects discovered that would have not been easy to build using today's technology.
I also believe some very accurate star charts have been discovered, and the stone circles present around the British Isles have also been linked to astronomical positioning occurances.
Yes of course, like the pyramids we have been talking about.
 
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