05-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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The Ian Tomlinson Affair
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23573327# There is finally some degree of justice for Ian Tomlinson and his family in this long-running affair. If you remember Ian was innocently passing through a demonstration taking place in London when he was knocked to the ground by a thug of a policeman and he subsequently died as a result of internal injuries. While I have every admiration for the majority of our police, too often we read about the blacksheep among them and of a cover up when things go wrong. It's time the whole culture was altered and we once again had a force we can trust.
05-08-2013, 09:36 PM
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Re: The Ian Tomlinson Affair
I was a bit confused about his death. Tomlinson had died from internal bleeding caused by trauma to the abdomen, in association with cirrhosis of the liver. But it was widely stated and shown on a video that he was hit on the back of the legs and got up and walked away.
06-08-2013, 11:00 AM
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Re: The Ian Tomlinson Affair
I'm pleased that the family feel they can now move on but I still think it's disgraceful how it has all panned out. Harwood should have been charged with involuntary manslaughter and a few other thing too.How did this man ever manage to slip through the net - so many times:
'Following the incident, it emerged that PC Harwood had faced several allegations of misconduct during his time in the police service.
In 2000, while off-duty, he was involved in what was described at the inquest as a "road rage" incident. He retired from the Met Police on medical grounds in 2001 before a disciplinary hearing could take place.
He then joined Surrey Police before being re-employed by Scotland Yard in 2004, despite an allegation of misconduct while at Surrey.
Ms de Brunner said the force had "got it wrong" when it came to disciplining PC Harwood, stressing the case had highlighted "significant failings in the vetting procedures" at the Met.
"It is clear that insufficient recording and checks meant that detailed information regarding the officer's misconduct history was not shared at key points," she said.'
How many times do we have to hear apologies from the great and the good and hearing 'we need to do better' - what about actually doing better instead of just excusing and apologising when the next thing happens.
06-08-2013, 11:16 AM
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Re: The Ian Tomlinson Affair
Originally Posted by Janela
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I was a bit confused about his death. Tomlinson had died from internal bleeding caused by trauma to the abdomen, in association with cirrhosis of the liver. But it was widely stated and shown on a video that he was hit on the back of the legs and got up and walked away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9cn3P_Rq78 - this is footage of Mr Tomlinson trying to avoid the crowds and find another route home but his way is blocked twice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ - this video shows the police allowing the dogs to behave, imo, a bit aggressively towards Mr Tomlinson (around 20 seconds into the video) before he is pushed to the ground. At around 30 seconds, you can see a police officer moving his foot away from Mr Tomlinson but it isn't clear why the officer's foot was on Mr Tomlinson to begin with. At 1.14, you can see that the black police dog was allowed to 'jolt' Mr Tomlinson's legs from behind.
The police lied about them helping him straight away and that the crowd impeded medics getting to him - neither statement is true.
Given that the first pathologist was also not truthful about the cause of death, whose to say the second one was accurate? Once they start lying, everything they say after that comes into question.
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