Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Common sense is prevailing. May it continue. Dominic Grieve for PM. Speaks more sense than the muppets.

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Hi

All we have done is to eventually agree what we would like.

We know have to get it agreed by the EU in a very short timescale.

It is not a given.

The Irish PM, Varadkar, is being very difficult.

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Perhaps but I do think people may have underestimated Theresa May.

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Not at all.

I have had serious doubts all along about May, but hoped for the best.

At least my doubts have now been confirmed.

All I can hope for now is that the EU will reject her pitiful offer.

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Hi

How exactly could she have done better given the dissent within her own party?

It has taken 16 months to just get a simple, basic, agreement amongst her Cabinet.

The Hard line Brexiteers have had every opportunity to challenge her and force a Leadership contest.

They could have put their money where their mouth is.

Instead they chose not to, that says everything that needs to be said about them, not an ounce of backbone amongst them.

Boris, he of the we can have our cake and eat it, has been sniping from the sidelines, but even ran away from the Heathrow vote.

Liam Fox, I will replicate every Trade Deal we have through being part of the EU by Technical Rectification, has been kicked from here to kingdom come, even by New Zealand, and has not only failed to secure a single one, but has had complaints registered at the WTO.

The EU has not broken ranks, even those Countries facing sanctions from the EU are united, they are staying and fighting Juncker and Co.

Austria and Denmark are breaking every EU Rule in the book, as are the Visigrad Group, but none are leaving.

They just have the Politicians with the backbone to stand up for their own interests and are daring the EU to expel them, which of course they won't.

Ours are all bluff and bluster.

EU Migration of workers to the UK can be very easily controlled by changes to our Benefits System, try getting Benefits in France, Belgium, Austria, Denmark or the Visigrad Group.

You won't, because your interview will be in the native language, the forms will be in the Native Language and you must have a job waiting and earning enough.

Try flying into Poland with a Criminal Record, they check everyone against the EU Databases, we check nobody.

Just about sums it up.

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

I'm not interested in excuses. I am certainly not alone in my opinion.

Please see this comment from Leave Means Leave.

Friday 6th July 2018

In response to the Government’s statement at the conclusion of the Chequers summit, John Longworth, Co-Chair of Leave Means Leave, commented:

“We have now seen Theresa May’s true colours. This is a bad deal for the UK which will only slide further as the EU take more and more. Our weak Prime Minister has driven the process of leaving the EU inscrutably into a corner, in concert with her Chancellor.

“The Prime Minister has totally misled 17.4 million voters and left it as late as possible to reveal that she remains a stubborn Remainer. Worse still, she has personally deceived us by promising in the Conservatives' election manifesto that Brexit means Brexit when, in fact, May's Brexit means BRINO – "Brexit In Name Only” – a fake Brexit.

“Now we are faced with becoming a vassal state of the German/French racket, they have us exactly where they want us – unable to compete, taking enormous quantities of their products at inflated prices, protected from global competition by the fortress Europe tariff and regulatory wall, and impeded from doing trade deals around the globe.

“We will be controlling neither laws, nor trade, nor borders. A total, humiliating capitulation.”

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

An interesting statement Twizzle, yet I strongly suspect that most of these Remainers have not one clue about our country's actual principles and ideals.

A lesson in history and the British Constitution is in order here.

For 100s of years wars have been fought, Kings/Queens come and gone and finally at the end of it all we managed to put in place some fundamental agreements that would establish DEMOCRACY and protect the rights of ordinary citizens such that no monarchy or government could run roughshod over the people.

You may remember learning about the MAGNA CARTA (1215) from school.

It was and is a fundamental agreement for this country. It absolutely underpins our right to fairness and justice. One of it's most well known elements is the statement:

""‘to no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice’."

What that means in terms that good right-minded British people understand is

"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY"

This my friend is what is meant by "principles and ideals"

It is the backbone of OUR BRITISH justice system which we all now take for granted and assume still exists.

It runs alongside something called Habeus Corpus

It means that if a member of your family or a friend is seized and locked away, YOU have the right to go and demand to see the body and to see the evidence for the crime by which the person is being detained.

These are fundamental "principles and ideals" that BRITAIN has enjoyed for 100s of years.

You talk about BrExiteers ruining these principles and ideals.

You have not a clue what you are talking about.

The EU does away with Habeus Corpus

In it's stead it wishes to roll out something called Corpus Juris

I encourage those wishing to educate themselves to Google both terms.

Corpus Juris gives the EU State Police the right to detain and incarcerate anyone for any reason for long periods of time WITHOUT having acquired any evidence of a crime, without having built any case.

How many TV crime dramas have we seen where the leading detective says :

"we have to find a fingerprint or some evidence within 24hrs otherwise we'll have to let the suspect walk free"

That's because Britain has enjoyed these most fundamental rights and freedoms, which have been there for 100s of years set out in documents like the Magna Carta, Bill Of Rights and so on.

The EU Federal State changes all of this. Our British justice system is now trumped by the European Court Of Justice.

The EU uses Corpus Juris which gives them unprecedented right to seize anyone, throw them in jail, sometimes for months or years WITHOUT having any actual evidence or concrete case. It then becomes the responsibility of the incarcerated victim to PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE which, from the confines of a cell, is somewhat impossible.

These are the kind of core and fundamental principles that BrExiteers are fighting for whilst the uneducated whinging young Remainers have no clue about. They just want the freedom to go work abroad but the day they are incarcerated without due process or redress is the day they will have their epiphany.

Innocent Until Proved Guilty is our most fundamental principle and ideal.

There are also other freedoms bestowed by our Constitutional agreements. This is a sample list:

• The right to bear arms
• The right to petition the Sovereign
• Free men cannot be imprisoned without cause
• The Government cannot arrest any man because he disagrees with the Government’s policies
• Habeas corpus is not to be denied
• No person will be compelled to make loans to the King, and there will be no tax without the approval of Parliament
• Soldiers and sailors will not be billeted on civilians
• Government will not impose martial law during peacetime"

The right to bear arms gives every person the right to self defence using reasonable force, including deadly force if appropriate.

Do you believe you still have that right?

Our fraudulent politicians have used tragic events as an excuse to remove that right. Such has historically been the work of governments with good reason to fear their people - governments intent on some kind of future totalitarian control of their populations"

A final note.

The Declaration Of Right, another fundamental principle of this country states that:

"no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate hath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence, or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm."


That being the case, the presence of the EU, it's rule over Britain, it's own ECJ justice system taking precedence over our own justice system, is all illegal and unconstitutional.

How could Britain ever have given up its power and sovereignty to foreign EU powers without politicians conducting outright fraud and arbitrarily ignoring these great constitutional principles? These are acts of actual Treason, for which the punishment was always death.

Equally, how could the Queen give Royal Assent to the various EU Treaties which transferred the country's powers and sovereignty over to the this foreign power, the EU?
She too has betrayed the people in doing so.


I put it to you Twizzle that Remainiacs are ignorant of the core principles and ideals of this country, principles which were hard fought for, through bloody war and sacrifice, principles which were there to protect the very freedoms that they now enjoy.

The EU is an emerging Federal/Totalitarian State which is as far from British principles and ideals as one can get.

It is the duty of every good and right-minded British citizen to insist that the British Constitution is restored and once and for all properly codified in one formal document.


https://www.britishconstitutiongroup.com/

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Hi

So why then have JRM, Boris, Liam, Gove and David Davies not challenged her?

If it is so simple to get a better deal, where are they?

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Realist the Magna Carta and the basis of English law were laid down by French kings. There has always been a connection with Europe and it's not a bad thing to not try to fix what ain't broke.

Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

They are only good at criticising & undermining but have no initiative of their own.