Justice is not a goal in this game. Otherwise the publication about the 4 russians would have taken place in april.

And as JBR once pointed out, a deal need not be profitable for all parties.
Negotiating towards a deal, any deal, is just civilised behavior. According to article 50 the EU is obliged to negotiate, closing on a deal is not part of that obligation.

A deal is a pragmatic solution for all JBR. A no deal is falling down the stupid tree and hitting every branch. Unless you want to play sandpit economics a no deal is nursery level thinking.

sort of...whenever you have a pooling of resources there is a gravy train. It's really difficult to be organised and efficient as you grow larger. Too much self interest. We really need to make the EU more zen...

The EU agrees with you on this. One central government, abolishing national parliaments, is very efficient. The only one with a self interest will be the EU itself. But rename that self interest in mutual interest, and everybody is happy.

And with the greatest respect Weedeek, smear the DM all you like. I'm sure many Leavers feel exactly the same about your EU loving leftie rags. But fortunately, and no thanks to the EU, censorship is still not on the table yet, along with free speech, so thank God for us leaving before both disappear completely.

I personally would like to thank the DM and its wonderful campaigns for us leaving as being a positive. At least they tell it as it is, and don't resort to mealy-mouthed insults because Remain lost. So you keep reading your paper and I will happily keep reading the Mail, a great paper that tells the true meaning of the word democracy, and what it means to those of us who voted to Leave!

Strange, then, that the EU negotiators don't seem too worried about agreeing one.

Once again, if we - and they - cannot agree a deal that would benefit us both (not just them), we should walk away.

If, as I believe, there are many businessmen in the EU who would like to trade with us, then leave with no deal and let them insist to their rulers that they demand a fair trading deal.

The EU agrees with you on this. One central government, abolishing national parliaments, is very efficient. The only one with a self interest will be the EU itself. But rename that self interest in mutual interest, and everybody is happy.

Well that's the impression I get from your posts, and your wish for a Labour government of an independent Scotland is quite amusing.

I know quite a few Scots socially and respect them and their loyalty to Scotland. None of the ones I know want Scotland to leave the UK, and I believe this is shown to be the case generally according to polls.

Nevertheless, if the majority do vote to leave the UK, I have no problem with that. Apart from anything else, it would save England a few bob.

I think that there has long been a yearning in Scotland to leave the UK and rejoin the 'Auld Alliance'. Well, if you think you can trust France, good luck to you. It didn't work out too well last time, though, did it?

By the way, my feelings are not of hate for any individual country, even France. It is more a feeling of distrust of leaderships, especially those of the EU collectively and France individually.

After all, history has taught us never to trust the Frogs!

Sounds good, until you think about it.

Abolish Westminster, eh? I'm sure many people would be happy to see that!

Unfortunately, though, there is one particularly distasteful consequence of that.

At present, we the people of the UK elect each and every member of Parliament. I like that.

Under a single EU government, going by the existing Commission, we the people of the UK elect 1/28th of the members of that parliament. It would only take two other countries to disagree with us and we would be outnumbered. I don't like that very much at all!