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02-12-2018, 03:49 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Seems like Farage thinks he will be voting about brexit in europarliament. He hasn't read paragraph 4 of article 50:

. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
No he meant he had spoken to many other MEPs who won't be agreeing with it. Not that he would be voting. He has made that plain for a few weeks now on his radio show.
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02-12-2018, 03:52 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
No he meant he had spoken to many other MEPs who won't be agreeing with it. Not that he would be voting. He has made that plain for a few weeks now on his radio show.
For my understanding. He has spoken with other MEPs, from other EU countries, who will not agree with the deal offered to the UK?
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02-12-2018, 03:55 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
For my understanding. He has spoken with other MEPs, from other EU countries, who will not agree with the deal offered to the UK?
Yes that's what he is saying. I know he's been on a big offensive to get people on his side recently and unless they are just saying what they think he wants to hear I assume he has got through to a lot of them. One thing EU doesn't understand is treating us badly will only make others want to leave so they can get out of it.
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02-12-2018, 04:06 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
Yes that's what he is saying. I know he's been on a big offensive to get people on his side recently and unless they are just saying what they think he wants to hear I assume he has got through to a lot of them. One thing EU doesn't understand is treating us badly will only make others want to leave so they can get out of it.
Nothing of that kind has been heard over here. I 'll be on the lookout.
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02-12-2018, 05:17 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
Yes that's what he is saying. I know he's been on a big offensive to get people on his side recently and unless they are just saying what they think he wants to hear I assume he has got through to a lot of them. One thing EU doesn't understand is treating us badly will only make others want to leave so they can get out of it.
Hi

We set the rules Julie, not the EU.

No Canada, No Japan type Tree Trade Deals.

No Free Movement, No Single Market, No more Payments.

No ECJ.

No Norway, No Switzerland Agreements.

If you do not give us what we want or we will leave with No Deal.

We will leave March 2019.

You need us more than we need you.

That did not leave any room for manoeuvre.

The World then watched in amazement as we racked off the Countries we have Free Trade Agreements with as part of the EU, we dictated to them, told them what was going to happen.

Result, complaints to the WHO.

We had a considerable amount of support in the EU, others where seriously annoyed with Merkel just opening the Borders and inviting Economic Migrants in and then insisting on other Countries having to take a quota.

We then called the EU a bunch of Nazis, which lost our support of the Danish, Dutch, Belgians and the Visigrad Group.

It is a lesson in how not to do things.
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03-12-2018, 12:09 AM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

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Yes that's what he is saying. I know he's been on a big offensive to get people on his side recently and unless they are just saying what they think he wants to hear I assume he has got through to a lot of them. One thing EU doesn't understand is treating us badly will only make others want to leave so they can get out of it.
Examining the positions on Brexit taken by the EU27, a number of common themes emerge, notably insistence on the integrity of the EU Single Market and an unwillingness to divide the four market freedoms (relating to goods, services, capital and people) when it comes to negotiating the future UK-EU trading relationship. This has also come alongside concerns that the new trading relationship should not enable the UK to gain a competitive advantage by retaining participation in some elements of the Single Market while no longer being required to comply with all the requirements of membership, including regulations relating to competition, the environment and labour market.


Certain Member States, notably Poland, Hungary and Italy are for varying reasons currently at loggerheads with the EU. *Both the Polish and Hungarian Governments face questions regarding their compliance with the EU’s rule of law framework and (along with Slovakia) face European Commission infringement proceedings regarding non-compliance with the EU’s refugee relocation plan. The new Italian Government has clashed with other EU governments over its calls for greater burden sharing in relation to migrant and refugee arrivals and its unwillingness to comply with Eurozone budget strictures. However, notwithstanding occasional criticisms of the EU’s approach to negotiations from government figures in these countries, these differences have not translated into any major divergences from the principal EU lines in the negotiations. This partly relates to a preoccupation among these governments with their own national priorities and a lack of coincidence with those of the UK when it comes to the Brexit negotiations.

EU27 governments have expressed a wish to retain a close trading relationship with the UK and a desire to avoid a 'no deal' Brexit which would be harmful to EU economies as well the UK. Retaining strong trading links with the UK is a particular consideration for those Member States with a high proportion of trade with the UK, although this is secondary to preserving the Single Market. Trade with the UK is equivalent to between 13% and 15% of GDP for Belgium, Cyprus, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, and more than 20% for Malta and Ireland. However, for the other 21 Member States trade with the UK is equivalent to less than 6% of GDP.
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03-12-2018, 04:22 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Puddle Duck ->
In the event of another referendum, after Mrs May's deal is knocked on the head, the questions on the ballot paper will not be as we had previously in 2016.

I believe we will be given Hobson's Choice.

I have been spending time watching Politics Live in an afternoon on the BBC. The scrutiny committees, etc. Very interesting and quite often the replies are very different to what the press are publishing.

Neither do we know who, what and why so many politicians and ex politicians have over time met up with Monsieur Barnier. They must have had their reasons and included, Blair, Brown, Major, Miller, Corbyn, Clegg, Cable , Darling Nicola,and so many more . We have to ask what their impact has been and what little deal has been made on their behalf too behind closed doors. They didn't go running for nothing !

Truly sick of the whole lot. If we take London's vote off out of the figures, the remainder of the country voted hands down to leave. London is full of new comers, high flying careerists , who spend much of their life on cocaine or planes.
Neither does Scotland's vote count, as they are still intent on threatening us with leaving the UK union anyway. We don't forget threats in a hurry why rush the band aid to their wounds when they would rather bleed to death ? Let them go. Who give a toss of the caber ?

One thing is certain, if this vote for Brexit is reversed , the Tories are doomed into oblivion , there will be only one political party of any numbers i.e. Labour, and we will be heading nose first into the abyss of socialism on a huge scale, with no alternative, where the house prices will certainly drop and a path of no return following into the footsteps of Venezuela.
Hope you feel better after your rant. Pity about the anti-Scottish bit, but have come to expect that on here every so often. We haven’t threatened little England with anything, but in a UK context, we deserve and will be heard.
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03-12-2018, 11:10 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by weedeek ->
Hope you feel better after your rant. Pity about the anti-Scottish bit, but have come to expect that on here every so often. We haven’t threatened little England with anything, but in a UK context, we deserve and will be heard.
I don't know why you think Scotland should be immune from criticism when the first minister puts more effort into undermining the Union rather than helping secure a good Brexit....
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03-12-2018, 11:20 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We set the rules Julie, not the EU.

No Canada, No Japan type Tree Trade Deals.

No Free Movement, No Single Market, No more Payments.

No ECJ.

No Norway, No Switzerland Agreements.

If you do not give us what we want or we will leave with No Deal.

We will leave March 2019.

You need us more than we need you.

That did not leave any room for manoeuvre.

The World then watched in amazement as we racked off the Countries we have Free Trade Agreements with as part of the EU, we dictated to them, told them what was going to happen.

Result, complaints to the WHO.

We had a considerable amount of support in the EU, others where seriously annoyed with Merkel just opening the Borders and inviting Economic Migrants in and then insisting on other Countries having to take a quota.

We then called the EU a bunch of Nazis, which lost our support of the Danish, Dutch, Belgians and the Visigrad Group.

It is a lesson in how not to do things.
The biggest factor in our poor negotiating performance was the lack of unity on this side of La Manche.

Every other problem stemmed from that.

Two years ago we needed a Churchillian type leader of national Unity............We are at war with the EU but we kidded ourselves we were negotiaing with an ally.

The EU knew exactly what the state of play was!
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03-12-2018, 11:25 PM
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Re: "Two Years Working to Stop Us Leaving the EU".

Originally Posted by Moscow ->
I don't know why you think Scotland should be immune from criticism when the first minister puts more effort into undermining the Union rather than helping secure a good Brexit....
Don't make the mistake of thinking all Scots support the FM, an increasing majority don't and are very dissatisfied with the way she is taking the country. Indeed recent polls show support for independence, outside the braveheart idiots, is declining.
 
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