When I washed up here I was not particularly politically au fait, and found many of the political threads confusing.
I also found that some posters had views that were so entrenched there was no attempt at seeing the other point of view.

When the referendum loomed I initially was happy to vote Remain but over time I changed my mind.
Merkel's actions plus the prospect of Turkey joining the EU was the nail in the coffin for me.

I must say that posts like this (above) I find reasonable and persuasive and I agree with every word.

The crap throwing tit for tat insults do nothing for this forum.

I'm feeling the vibes ...

Okay.. hands up, guilty as charged .. I engaged in the exchange of insults but that is because as far as I'm concerned when someone just wants to sling insults at Brexiteers, rather than just discuss Brexit ( and aren't we all getting weary of that) they deserve to get insulted back. I retract nothing.

But ... in future, if anyone wants to call a Brexiteer an ass wipe, or an idiot or a traitor ... I will contain myself, sit on my hands, keep my mouth shut.
Can't say fairer than that.
I shall console myself with the fact that I abstained from voting so don't know why I'm getting involved in the first place. I mean, I didn't then did I.

I'm feeling the vibes ...

Okay.. hands up, guilty as charged .. I engaged in the exchange of insults but that is because as far as I'm concerned when someone just wants to sling insults at Brexiteers, rather than just discuss Brexit ( and aren't we all getting weary of that) they deserve to get insulted back. I retract nothing.

But ... in future, if anyone wants to call a Brexiteer an ass wipe, or an idiot or a traitor ... I will contain myself, sit on my hands, keep my mouth shut.
Can't say fairer than that.
I shall console myself with the fact that I abstained from voting so don't know why I'm getting involved in the first place. I mean, I didn't then did I.

Someone said the eu workers work cheaper and harder, harder I can only agree because they are usually younger than me these days I'm competing against 18 - 20 year olds, I used to work like that but over 30 years of doing so I'm knackered now, cheaper is a huge problem they can do that in their own country but stop bringing down my wages to their rate please.

Anyone tried to live on or below nmw ? It's not easy and it a bloody cheek anyone wanting to pay less than that ! There should be dignity in work not something you lose sleep over whether you can pay your rent or not.

So far wages in cleaning in Surrey have gone down by 40 percent how much farther do remainers want us to fall.

One of the outcomes I dread as a result of Brexit is that the UK will no longer be signed up to the European Working Time Directive and the Temporary Agency Workers Directive. I fear without those directives that future governments, faced with the poverty and austerity Brexit will cause, will strip workers of their rights to things like to holiday pay, working hours and health and safety and the minimum wage, using economic crisis as an excuse.

We have already seen with the mess they have made of Universal Credits, the homeless crisis, cutting disability benefits and housing benefits and benefit sanctions that our governments often have no concern for our poorest, including our working poor. And I fear without the restrictions of EU regulations, they will be nothing stopping them doing their worst.

http://https://www.theguardian.com/c...rective-rights

A lot of Brexiters are too old to be working or to need this protection. And they know their own pensions and incomes are secure because the Boomer generation holds a lot of political clout due to sheer numbers in our top heavy society and no party dare upset them.

That's one of the reasons I think the older generation were selfish to vote Brexit and risks the rights of the younger generation who are working to pay their pensions.

Hi

Twizzle, you are entitled to your views on Brexit and I respect the views of those who voted to remain.

Whilst we have very different views on the subject, I am always willing to listen to rational reasoning and there are many reasons for staying in the EU.

I thought about my vote and knew that there would be a financial cost to pay.

I am quite willing to pay extra Tax to cover that shortfall, I do not want the most vulnerable genuine people to suffer.

My objection was the way things were going, I do not want to be part of a Federal Europe, I do not want us to adopt the Euro and I most certainly do not want the UK to be part of an EU Army, with an EU Agenda.

Merkel over ruling all EU Policy and opening the Borders to Economic Migrants was the best example of the way things were going.

There was no discussion or agreement on this, just Unilateral action and then when things went wrong, everybody had to take a quota of those Germany did not want.

I find this very, very wrong.

The UK has a long history of taking genuine refugees, we take them direct from the Refugee Camps, those with nothing at all, the ones most in need.

The Yazidis, Kurds and Christians, used as sex slaves by ISIS, not rich economic migrants, we take those who cannot afford to pay the people smugglers.

I am proud that we do this, 20,000 a year.

I am not stupid, far from it, I am not Xenophobic, I have two Polish Businesses registered at my house.

I have an agreement with the local NHS, new foreign doctors and nurses I put up until they find permanent accommodation.

I am neither thick, stupid, Xenophobic or a Little Englander.

I can make myself understood in French, Polish, Pashto, Farsi, Tagalog, Thai and Khmer, I understand Arabic and Ukranian, albeit all with a broad Yorkshire accent.

I am quite happy to discuss the merits or demerits of voting to leave.

What I object to is rants labelling me as stupid, thick, xenophobic and a Little Englander.

I am none of these, I am quite capable of thinking and taking rational decisions.

My rational decision was to leave and take the consequences.

I respect the views of those who came to a different conclusion.

I do not insult them, please do not insult me.