13-02-2020, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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Yep 
and they continue to drive their lorries up and down our motorways unhindered.
That's going to change soon
13-02-2020, 08:04 PM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Changing soon? Why didn't your police pluck them of the road before? Don't you have laws making drunk driving an offence? Or is the EU also to blame for this inactiveness.
Ofcourse the EU is to blame. They have free movement or we would do what the swiss do and turn them round at the border.
13-02-2020, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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Us? Cheat? Then answer me this, please. Why did the European hauliers, to a man/woman have 2 VERY high capacity (2000 lt +) fuel tanks fitted to their trucks for hauling stuff into and out of the UK without having to stop and refuel over here?
13-02-2020, 08:17 PM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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You've only got to watch the interceptor-type cop shows on C4 to see that - almost on a weekly basis. There was one the other week involving a well over the alcohol limit Polish driver, driving an Irish registered truck, stopped in a lay-by for a wee but couldn't stand up straight. He was reported by another driver.
13-02-2020, 08:46 PM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Originally Posted by JBR
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They should be fined and their trucks and contents impounded until the fine is paid.
13-02-2020, 09:05 PM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Originally Posted by Bread
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Ofcourse the EU is to blame. They have free movement or we would do what the swiss do and turn them round at the border.
In theory, the transition period could end in late 2020. Will it then finally take back control from the Brussels bureaucrats? Not quite.
Start with regulation. The EU forged 28 different nations (including the UK) into a single market by unifying regulations across countries, allowing businesses to sell easily in all countries. This has created a market as vast and as integrated as any except for the domestic markets of the United States and China.
Roughly half of the UK’s trade is with the EU. The figure is slightly higher if countries such as turkey, which is not in the EU but is in a customs union with Europe, are included. If britain wants to trade with the EU—and it does, given the vast trade flows—it will have to agree on a set of rules governing product safety, food standards, and other regulatory measures.
For decades, british media have condemned the EU for imposing unneeded regulations, covering topics as banal as the shape of bananas. Brexiteers have promised a “bonfire of the EU laws,” as the Daily Mail put it. But british firms looking to trade with the EU are unlikely to see regulations going up in smoke. Any product that is jointly assembled in the UK and EU is still likely to follow EU laws. So, too, are many foreign products sold across Europe. It will be easier to follow the rules of the bigger market. (The EU’s economy is more than five times bigger than britain’s, depending on how you calculate.) And if british firms want to sell in the EU, they will still follow brussels’s rulebook. There are so many regulatory battles on the horizon that it may seem like brexit never actually happened.
The same is true for trade deals. It has been three years since the british government began negotiating its own trade deals with other countries. Thus far, london has signed deals with partners, including georgia and jordan, that constitute only 8 percent of british trade. These deals have proved not that the UK is an independent trading nation but rather that it continues to accept EU rules. Indeed, its biggest new trade deals, including with south korea and norway, are openly*advertised*as changing nothing.
The swiss, with whom the UK has also signed a trade deal, provide a template for what will come. Switzerland also stands outside the EU, but many swiss firms choose to implement EU laws because it makes cross-border trade easier. Switzerland’s government, meanwhile, finds itself in nearly constant battles with the bossy brussels bureaucrats over whether it must implement new EU rules governing the two countries’ trade. The swiss usually put up a weak fight and then surrender. Access to EU markets is worth the humiliation of having laws dictated from brussels.
In the three and half years since the brexit referendum, the UK has found itself in a position of swiss subservience but has not yet come to terms with the new reality. It is no longer a member of the EU, but it has not really left. The flag has been hauled down, but the detested regulations remain. Sovereignty will be circumscribed so long as britain wants access to EU markets. Brexiteers will describe this as betrayal, but it is especially good news for them. They can keep blaming everything that goes wrong on brussels. It will feel almost as if britain never actually left. Chriss Miller.
13-02-2020, 11:55 PM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Now you mention the swiss, thought about this? I bet not.In theory, the transition period could end in late 2020. Will it then finally take back control from the Brussels bureaucrats? Not quite.
Start with regulation. The EU forged 28 different nations (including the UK) into a single market by unifying regulations across countries, allowing businesses to sell easily in all countries. This has created a market as vast and as integrated as any except for the domestic markets of the United States and China.
Roughly half of the UK’s trade is with the EU. The figure is slightly higher if countries such as turkey, which is not in the EU but is in a customs union with Europe, are included. If britain wants to trade with the EU—and it does, given the vast trade flows—it will have to agree on a set of rules governing product safety, food standards, and other regulatory measures.
For decades, british media have condemned the EU for imposing unneeded regulations, covering topics as banal as the shape of bananas. Brexiteers have promised a “bonfire of the EU laws,” as the Daily Mail put it. But british firms looking to trade with the EU are unlikely to see regulations going up in smoke. Any product that is jointly assembled in the UK and EU is still likely to follow EU laws. So, too, are many foreign products sold across Europe. It will be easier to follow the rules of the bigger market. (The EU’s economy is more than five times bigger than britain’s, depending on how you calculate.) And if british firms want to sell in the EU, they will still follow brussels’s rulebook. There are so many regulatory battles on the horizon that it may seem like brexit never actually happened.
The same is true for trade deals. It has been three years since the british government began negotiating its own trade deals with other countries. Thus far, london has signed deals with partners, including georgia and jordan, that constitute only 8 percent of british trade. These deals have proved not that the UK is an independent trading nation but rather that it continues to accept EU rules. Indeed, its biggest new trade deals, including with south korea and norway, are openly*advertised*as changing nothing.
The swiss, with whom the UK has also signed a trade deal, provide a template for what will come. Switzerland also stands outside the EU, but many swiss firms choose to implement EU laws because it makes cross-border trade easier. Switzerland’s government, meanwhile, finds itself in nearly constant battles with the bossy brussels bureaucrats over whether it must implement new EU rules governing the two countries’ trade. The swiss usually put up a weak fight and then surrender. Access to EU markets is worth the humiliation of having laws dictated from brussels.
In the three and half years since the brexit referendum, the UK has found itself in a position of swiss subservience but has not yet come to terms with the new reality. It is no longer a member of the EU, but it has not really left. The flag has been hauled down, but the detested regulations remain. Sovereignty will be circumscribed so long as britain wants access to EU markets. Brexiteers will describe this as betrayal, but it is especially good news for them. They can keep blaming everything that goes wrong on brussels. It will feel almost as if britain never actually left. Chriss Miller.
14-02-2020, 06:01 AM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Hie have a lot of catching up to do.
We have a huge shortage of HGV Drivers.
Many EU Countries train them for free, here in the UK we charge them, not easy to fund if you are unemolyed or on Minimum Wage.
It is going to take a change in policy and several years to train our own.
It is not bad money, around £16 an hour for class 1 drivers.
Secondly, the UK has a different Taxation Model to the EU.
They have higher Direct Taxation, what comes out of your pay packet, but lower indirect taxation, such as fuel and and road fund licensing.
We cannot compete with that, so we need to change things.
Our own hauliers fill up in Belgium, a huge numbers of UK Trucks at ienkirk in Belgium, before they hit the French Border.
Last, but certainly not least, Cabotage.
We export to the EU by HGV, one there our HGVs pick up new loads to come back full not empty.
The same with the EU HGvs in reverse.
It saves a lot of money.
Not having a deal with the EU would be the end of this, which will affect Industry and raise prices.
Here in Shropshire we export vast amounts to the EU. and most of it is fresh produce, time limited.
We need to maintain that.
We do not eat chicken livers, hearts, tripe and brawn, they do.
I do not want to see my friends out of a job.
14-02-2020, 08:29 AM
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Re: EU Launches First Legal Case Against the UK.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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Hie have a lot of catching up to do.
We have a huge shortage of HGV Drivers.
Many EU Countries train them for free, here in the UK we charge them, not easy to fund if you are unemolyed or on Minimum Wage.
It is going to take a change in policy and several years to train our own.
It is not bad money, around £16 an hour for class 1 drivers.
Secondly, the UK has a different Taxation Model to the EU.
They have higher Direct Taxation, what comes out of your pay packet, but lower indirect taxation, such as fuel and and road fund licensing.
We cannot compete with that, so we need to change things.
Our own hauliers fill up in Belgium, a huge numbers of UK Trucks at ienkirk in Belgium, before they hit the French Border.
Last, but certainly not least, Cabotage.
We export to the EU by HGV, one there our HGVs pick up new loads to come back full not empty.
The same with the EU HGvs in reverse.
It saves a lot of money.
Not having a deal with the EU would be the end of this, which will affect Industry and raise prices.
Here in Shropshire we export vast amounts to the EU. and most of it is fresh produce, time limited.
We need to maintain that.
We do not eat chicken livers, hearts, tripe and brawn, they do.
I do not want to see my friends out of a job.
Jeez ....
Calm down and have a nice slice of chicken liver pate on some warm fresh white toast.
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