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29-10-2015, 11:14 PM
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There might be more to this than meets the eye.

US warns Britain: If you leave EU you face barriers to trading with America

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...f-it-leaves-eu
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29-10-2015, 11:39 PM
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The mood of the British public at the moment I think is to distance ourselves from Europe!
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30-10-2015, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tootsweet ->
There might be more to this than meets the eye.

US warns Britain: If you leave EU you face barriers to trading with America

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...f-it-leaves-eu

More scaremongering tactics. This from a country that want to force TTIP on Europe allowing large (mainly US) corporations to circumvent European trade regulations and safeguards. The TTIP could allow GM products and types of pesticides currently banned throughout Europe to be foisted on us.
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30-10-2015, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Judd ->
More scaremongering tactics. This from a country that want to force TTIP on Europe allowing large (mainly US) corporations to circumvent European trade regulations and safeguards. The TTIP could allow GM products and types of pesticides currently banned throughout Europe to be foisted on us.
I dont agree Judd, I have been saying this for years, leave the EU and be prepared to pay more for everything, not just US trading but trading outside the EU.
We benefit from the EU, e.g. the satellite system the EU have put up there will save the UK a fortune when it is all done, our sat.nav. system will cost us a fortune, weather systems and much more, and that is just one thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galile...ite_navigation)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27049659
Broadband and a lot more will all be effected with us paying the EU enormous amounts for the use of, this is just one thing we benefit from.
We will be paying import duties from EU countries for what we buy from them, and it is going to put our cost of living sky high, we shall all be in the mire big time.
A good article here to read, and read more than you read in the papers,
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...of-the-eu/8376
I do know for certain that if we come out one of my relatives will be unemployed.
Have you considered defence, we need the EU and shouldn't rely on the US for defence, we have nothing now all been abandoned.
We couldn't defend ourselves against any power that chose to attack us.
Vote to come out at your Peril, it is not a good idea to come out because you think we have to many immigrants here at all, and that to me looks to be the basis of most folks arguments.
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30-10-2015, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Wrinkly ->
I dont agree Judd, I have been saying this for years, leave the EU and be prepared to pay more for everything, not just US trading but trading outside the EU.
We benefit from the EU, e.g. the satellite system the EU have put up there will save the UK a fortune when it is all done, our sat.nav. system will cost us a fortune, weather systems and much more, and that is just one thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galile...ite_navigation)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27049659
Broadband and a lot more will all be effected with us paying the EU enormous amounts for the use of, this is just one thing we benefit from.
We will be paying import duties from EU countries for what we buy from them, and it is going to put our cost of living sky high, we shall all be in the mire big time.
A good article here to read, and read more than you read in the papers,
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...of-the-eu/8376
I do know for certain that if we come out one of my relatives will be unemployed.
Have you considered defence, we need the EU and shouldn't rely on the US for defence, we have nothing now all been abandoned.
We couldn't defend ourselves against any power that chose to attack us.
Vote to come out at your Peril, it is not a good idea to come out because you think we have to many immigrants here at all, and that to me looks to be the basis of most folks arguments.
Interesting post Wrinkly, and I think you're right in that many people think if we leave the EU we can lower the drawbridge, police the tunnel and refuse entry to the immigrants, be in total control of our own destiny as it were, not be answerable to Brussels or Germany etc.
Sounds an easy solution to our problems....

The poll is intended to reflect gut feeling at this time with all the headlines and scare mongering.

After the case for and against has provided us with, hopefully, a great deal more information regarding the pros and cons of staying or leaving, another poll nearer the time of the referendum might show a very different picture.

Or it might not!
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30-10-2015, 04:50 PM
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In 2014, UK exports destined for EU ports fell from 54.8 per cent to 44.6 per cent of total exports.

However, there is no indication at all that all of those exports are actually for EU countries or "just passing through".

There is no apparent information on this that I can find but this been the case for some time as far as I can tell.

The real problem seems to be that the Pro-EU lobby / organisation is entrenched so deeply that it is almost impossible to get information that has not come via a Pro-EU source!

How we, as ordinary citizens, are supposed to decide on this issue with a dearth of information on result of our exit is beyond me, and I have been searching for some time to find something - anything that possibly gives a better view that has not come from a source without a vested interest in us staying in!

Margaret Thatcher made sure that the pro-EU view was the most positive view in the last referendum and Cameron's built on that to ensure the result is purely positive to stay in but claiming that the UK, unlike Norway, has a real say in EU policy is like saying the Jews had a say in 1930s National Socialist Germany.

Where UKIP gone?

I voted for UKIP Nationally and locally the last time because locally we had a Labour candidate parachuted-in this time and a sitting Conservative who had also been parachuted-in from Scotland before and I'd rather it was someone who actually lived here not someone who had to set up a dummy local address then claim for it in expenses!

Getting back to the EU though, I do not understand how in a "common" market we in the UK seem to be paying a lot more for our food than say our Spanish or French fellow EU Members so if someone could explain that to me to my satisfaction and also explain why every daft rule or regulation coming out of the EU is ignored by most other member states yet eagerly embraced by the gullible UK MEPs who, incidentally, failed miserably to gain seats on the truly influential committees / groups that actually determine EU decisions and policy!

Kinnock's clan are a prime example but then Farage hasn't exactly distinguished himself for those he supposedly represents.

I do realise that Cameron's got his eye set on an exit of his own so his rhetoric is, to me, tainted by that so not worth listening to and Corbyn's a total waste of space IMHO so that now leaves me with Tim Fallon doesn't it?

I don't like the LibDems locally - they are tossers, but my view now is the Fallon's LibDems are the only party left yet even they are No.1 when it comes down to wanting to stay in the "glee club"!

I think I'll continue to vote UKIP just to see what happens - nationally only of course - but the referendum will get a No from me purely because if "they" want to hide the truth from us so much then there has to be a reason so the perverse side of me says go against the flow and say NO! stevmk2
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30-10-2015, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tootsweet ->
There might be more to this than meets the eye.

US warns Britain: If you leave EU you face barriers to trading with America

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...f-it-leaves-eu
Seems to me that America is too big for it's boots. They are not the world's police and should keep their nose out of other countries and mind their own business.
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11-11-2015, 12:38 PM
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32 to 8...that's a big hefty majority at the moment want to leave.
Lots of info in the papers and online about Cameron's latest talks.

Edited...34:8 now
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11-11-2015, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GillyT ->
At least, if we left the EU and just traded with countries of our choice, we could close our borders because WE want to do that. We won't be dictated to by an unelected handful of bigots. We won't have dozens of new laws thrust upon us uninvited or wanted. In fact, we would be able to get back to being Britain, a once proud nation of much importance, and not a nation bordering on third world status!

We would also save billions of pounds which we have to send to Europe whilst we remain part of EU. Money which would considerably help our NHS, our diminishing police force, our schools and our armed forces.

I'm afraid,now, I can see no positive reasons for remaining in Europe. I am not expecting Cameron to manage to get better deals for UK, so there will be a lot more UK residents who will vote to come out of Europe, and as soon as possible.

It's only big companies who want to stay in Europe for purely financial purposes, and to line their own pockets. If these said big companies paid up the taxes that they owed this country, and have done so for years, then possibly this country would not be in the financial trouble that it is in now!

The government would not be coming on the poorer section of the communities to try to bolster up the piggy bank.

I could say a lot more but in deference to those members who find it difficult to read long posts I will finish what I have to say now. I hasten to add that all this is my opinion.

Thank you for struggling through to the end of my post.
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Wasn't a struggle. It was a good, informative post which perfectly hit on the major points to consider.
I agree, a good post & well thought out.
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11-11-2015, 01:40 PM
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Cameron has made a hash of 'his terms' to the EU
Conservatives themselves are not happy as its so meagre - but the EU must be 'very' happy
 
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