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22-09-2019, 12:15 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Yes Cameron did use those words but You’ve taken a step forward in accepting the referendum to leave the EU was only advisory which you have previously not understood.

Unfortunately your understanding of UK referendums is still poor an all referendums are not advisory. The referendum on the Parliamentary voting system which was held on Thursday 5 May 2011 certainly wasn’t advisory and the decision was binding as set out in the relevant parliamentary bill

Why do you think they turned out for a survey? They turned out for a referendum that was advisory and the result of which the government were obliged to take into consideration when determining policy which is what TM did. There is nothing in the bill requiring MP’s to be beholding to the same obligation which is why they are free to exercise their own judgement

I read the bill before voting and knew it was only advisory but had no idea how it would turn out or what the Government or Parliament would do if the result was to leave

You obviously did not know it was advisory so wasn’t necessarily a done deal and it would appear that most leavers on this forum didn’t either

Read the Lisbon Treaty, not the fake news circulating on social media and pro leave websites.
WMV doesn’t apply to laws about security and defence which require unanimous approval by the European Council. Anyway the European Commission can’t propose any laws about security and defence and it certainly can’t implement any common defence policies without the European Council unanimously approving them

That the Lisbon Treaty commits the UK or any other E.U. country to an EU army is just leavers Project Fear fake news propaganda

And it seems you believe it


The referendum was advisory ... the government said the decision would be implemented. You think it should be ignored is that your point ?

Why can't you understand this ? Your in denial about what the people decided, clueless about the EU and resorting to conspiracy theory
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24-09-2019, 01:52 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Read the Lisbon Treaty, not the fake news circulating on social media and pro leave websites.
WMV doesn’t apply to laws about security and defence which require unanimous approval by the European Council. Anyway the European Commission can’t propose any laws about security and defence and it certainly can’t implement any common defence policies without the European Council unanimously approving them

That the Lisbon Treaty commits the UK or any other E.U. country to an EU army is just leavers Project Fear fake news propaganda

And it seems you believe it
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24-09-2019, 10:47 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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The referendum was advisory ... the government said the decision would be implemented. You think it should be ignored is that your point ?

Why can't you understand this ? Your in denial about what the people decided, clueless about the EU and resorting to conspiracy theory
Again you show your limited understanding.

Yes government said the decision would be implemented and parliament voted to trigger Article 50 but a non binding referendum does not mandate MP’s to abide by the result although you seem to think it does

Again you are making things up. I ‘m saying that Parliament is not mandated to agree with the decision as it was only advisory. You do understand what advisory means don’t you? You seem to forget that we live in a parliamentary democracy not a direct one

I certainly know note about the Lisbon Treaty than your understanding that repeats the fake claims doing the rounds on social media.

What conspiracy theory are you talking about? It’s youvand ZRealist who wear the tin foil hats on this forum
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25-09-2019, 05:17 AM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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Again you show your limited understanding.

Yes government said the decision would be implemented and parliament voted to trigger Article 50 but a non binding referendum does not mandate MP’s to abide by the result although you seem to think it does

Again you are making things up. I ‘m saying that Parliament is not mandated to agree with the decision as it was only advisory. You do understand what advisory means don’t you? You seem to forget that we live in a parliamentary democracy not a direct one

I certainly know note about the Lisbon Treaty than your understanding that repeats the fake claims doing the rounds on social media.

What conspiracy theory are you talking about? It’s youvand ZRealist who wear the tin foil hats on this forum

Parliament voted by a massive majority for the referendum in the first place, it then voted in favour of riggering 50 via the withdrawal bill by a massive majority. We had the biggest turnout in voting history and your saying the result was optional and parliament could ignore it ??? Cameron said the government would implement the outcome which it is doing.

What is your point?

The result of the referendum should not be implemented because it was "advisory" like all the other referendums we have had ?

If the legal status was changed do you honestly think it would change the result,?

Well ??? What's your point ???
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25-09-2019, 11:04 AM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Parliament voted by a massive majority for the referendum in the first place, it then voted in favour of riggering 50 via the withdrawal bill by a massive majority. We had the biggest turnout in voting history and your saying the result was optional and parliament could ignore it ??? Cameron said the government would implement the outcome which it is doing.

What is your point?

The result of the referendum should not be implemented because it was "advisory" like all the other referendums we have had ?

If the legal status was changed do you honestly think it would change the result,?

Well ??? What's your point ???
What do the remainiacs hope to achieve?

There WILL be a GE by 2022 at the latest, so delay it as much as they like and they'll find themselves very much in the minority.

In the meantime, we continue to pay billions to the EU, billions that could advantageously be used for OUR benefit.

I wonder what the general public will feel about that.
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25-09-2019, 06:59 PM
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What do the remainiacs hope to achieve?

There WILL be a GE by 2022 at the latest.

The election will be rigged

As always

Students get 2 voting papers. One for their home constituency and one for their university constituency. They can legally only use one voting paper, but some vote with both. The archaic system we have is not good at identifying double voters. In the next election you can be sure they will turn a blind eye to them all. It will be a farce of an election.
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25-09-2019, 07:17 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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The election will be rigged

As always

Students get 2 voting papers. One for their home constituency and one for their university constituency. They can legally only use one voting paper, but some vote with both. The archaic system we have is not good at identifying double voters. In the next election you can be sure they will turn a blind eye to them all. It will be a farce of an election.
Don't forget the abuse of the postal vote
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25-09-2019, 07:48 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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The election will be rigged

As always

Students get 2 voting papers. One for their home constituency and one for their university constituency. They can legally only use one voting paper, but some vote with both. The archaic system we have is not good at identifying double voters. In the next election you can be sure they will turn a blind eye to them all. It will be a farce of an election.
Yes, that's a worry.
Then, there was Peterborough too.
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25-09-2019, 08:34 PM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

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Don't forget the abuse of the postal vote
In essence, democracy is not working in the UK?
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26-09-2019, 02:10 AM
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Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Hi

The Lib Dems can get stuffed.

We have had a Referendum, the little people voted, they voted out.

I was one of those little people, I will not have my vote overturned.

That is the essence of the whole issue for me.

I simply do not believe that Boris is the man to do it.
 
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