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25-09-2019, 08:12 PM
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Death Of Democracy

We have witnessed this week the tragic events of the Supreme Court in using their powers and position to overturn parliamentary decisions.

It's a ground-breaking turn of events that I suspect many people have not yet fully digested.

It means that any time the elite establishment don't want our parliament to do something, they can hop off to the Supreme Court who support them, to have decisions overturned or laws made in their favour.

This nullifies totally the position and purpose of a sovereign parliament. In such a situation Parliament is clearly not sovereign and instead that power sits with a judiciary that is not elected nor accountable to the UK people.

That in turn means we no longer have a democracy. That's not a fanciful rant, it's now actual fact. The Supreme Court and establishment have now overruled our sovereign parliament. Parliament is worthless.

There is no point whatsoever in the UK people voting any further. Their wishes are not going to be actioned unless they are the wishes of this establishment and any time they want to the corrupt establishment will trot off to the Supreme Court to get what they want. The Supreme Court has essentially taken sides and sided with the establishment.


I'm reading calls from various posters across the internet to now make a stand as it once again falls to the British people to fight to preserve their right to freedom and democracy. So it has repeatedly been throughout history.


The recurring suggestion thus far is for the people to cease paying their taxes.


If they are no longer being represented by parliament then they shouldn't be paying taxes to that parliament.

It's an interesting idea.

A nationwide refusal to pay tax.


I suspect it will be just the tip of the iceberg.
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25-09-2019, 08:17 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy

The recurring suggestion thus far is for the people to cease paying their taxes. If they are no longer being represented by parliament then they shouldn't be paying taxes to that parliament. It's an interesting idea. A nationwide refusal to pay tax.

As a hitherto law-abiding citizen in my late sixties, this is something I would never have contemplated. However, along with a large number of acquaintances, it is certainly being considered.
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25-09-2019, 08:20 PM
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A new Boston Tea Party.

No taxation without representation.
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25-09-2019, 08:24 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy

Originally Posted by Realist ->
We have witnessed this week the tragic events of the Supreme Court in using their powers and position to overturn parliamentary decisions.
They overturned the decision of a pm, a person who abused the power given to him by law. Prorogation was not a parliamentary decision.
The only thing the supreme court did, was keep a man in the boundaries of the law.
It's telling about the man in question, not about the court or judges.
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25-09-2019, 08:29 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy

Originally Posted by Realist ->
We have witnessed this week the tragic events of the Supreme Court in using their powers and position to overturn parliamentary decisions.

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Wrong. Prorogation wasn't a Parliamentary decision, quite the reverse in fact. It was Boris 'Bullingdon Club' Johnson whose action was found to be unlawful, thus restoring Parliament.
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25-09-2019, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
They overturned the decision of a pm, a person who abused the power given to him by law. Prorogation was not a parliamentary decision.
The only thing the supreme court did, was keep a man in the boundaries of the law.
It's telling about the man in question, not about the court or judges.
There was no such law until the next morning, how was Boris to have known about a non-existent law?
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25-09-2019, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
There was no such law until the next morning, how was Boris to have known about a non-existent law?
So the legal advice cox gave, was not based on a law?
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25-09-2019, 09:31 PM
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Has it ever been a democracy?
The cabinet makes the rules. The whip makes party members toe the line regardless of their views far less those of the electorate.
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25-09-2019, 09:35 PM
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Has it ever been a democracy?
The cabinet makes the rules. The whip makes party members toe the line regardless of their views far less those of the electorate.
Therefore the political and the judicial systems need to be separate. And as boris discovered, they are.
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25-09-2019, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by globeflower ->
Wrong. Prorogation wasn't a Parliamentary decision, quite the reverse in fact. It was Boris 'Bullingdon Club' Johnson whose action was found to be unlawful, thus restoring Parliament.
Unlawful, not illegal....
 
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