26-09-2019, 01:43 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Solasch
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There is a flaw in the other assumptions. May brought in the HoC the withdrawal deal to be ratified two times. She couldn't bring it a third time without the deal being substantially changed.To circumvent that, the third time she brought to the house the bill to turn the agreement into law.
There is nothing that obstructs boris from bringing another bill to the house to turn the present deal into law. For instance, by adding the information from yellowhammer to the bill to describe the effects of not ratifying the deal.
So, the whole argumentation why boris needs prorogation is based on quick sand, and cannot hold. Bye!
26-09-2019, 02:11 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Bread
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Proroguing starts a new parliamentary session so the bill as it is can be brought back
The Benn bill clearly stipulates that any deal HAS TO BE APPROVED by the HoC. If it isn't then Boris is forced to go for an extension.
You seem to refuse to accept this condition of the Benn Bill, I'm not sure why but am open to any explanation you can offer.
26-09-2019, 02:15 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Realist
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But it makes no difference Bread.The Benn bill clearly stipulates that any deal HAS TO BE APPROVED by the HoC. If it isn't then Boris is forced to go for an extension.
You seem to refuse to accept this condition of the Benn Bill, I'm not sure why but am open to any explanation you can offer.
1. A deal is approved by the Hoc in which case we leave with that deal on 31st October
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2. No deal is presented to the HoC in which case Boris needs to get an extension.
It does not say anything about a deal being brought to Parliament and they reject it. In this case, there is no instruction from the Benn Act to tell the PM what to do.
26-09-2019, 02:52 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Realist
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But it makes no difference Bread.The Benn bill clearly stipulates that any deal HAS TO BE APPROVED by the HoC. If it isn't then Boris is forced to go for an extension.
You seem to refuse to accept this condition of the Benn Bill, I'm not sure why but am open to any explanation you can offer.
Aside from allowing a fresh legislative agenda, proroguing Parliament and starting a new parliamentary session would also allow the government to ask MPs to approve the current Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration –*which the Speaker had refused to allow MPs to consider again without fundamental changes. However, there would be*very little time*to agree a revised legal text with the EU and implement a deal in domestic law before the 31 October*deadline.
But boris has said time and again the present deal is dead? And his alternatives to the backstop are simply not equivalent.
So what use would prorogation be in that scenario?
26-09-2019, 02:56 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Solasch
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The benn bill also sees to the possibility of parliament voting for a no deal exit.Aside from allowing a fresh legislative agenda, proroguing Parliament and starting a new parliamentary session would also allow the government to ask MPs to approve the current Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration –*which the Speaker had refused to allow MPs to consider again without fundamental changes. However, there would be*very little time*to agree a revised legal text with the EU and implement a deal in domestic law before the 31 October*deadline.
But boris has said time and again the present deal is dead? And his alternatives to the backstop are simply not equivalent.
So what use would prorogation be in that scenario?
Hello no-deal.
26-09-2019, 03:20 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
So, the opposition have voted to refuse the Tory Party 3 days recess to hold their party conference in Manchester.Bet Andy Burnham, Labour,Mayor of Greater Manchester, is pleased with his party. They stand to lose £30million pounds over the loss of the conference.
Boing!
26-09-2019, 03:22 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Realist
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But it makes no difference Bread.The Benn bill clearly stipulates that any deal HAS TO BE APPROVED by the HoC. If it isn't then Boris is forced to go for an extension.
https://mobile.twitter.com/hilaryben...621953/photo/2
Should boris send two lettres, one requesting an extension, and an accompianing lettre saying disregard our request, he is in conflict with the benn bill, which demands he "seeks an extension", not "send a lettre". The bill however provides a form for a lettre to be used to seek that extension.
26-09-2019, 03:26 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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So, the opposition have voted to refuse the Tory Party 3 days recess to hold their party conference in Manchester.Bet Andy Burnham, Labour,Mayor of Greater Manchester, is pleased with his party. They stand to lose £30million pounds over the loss of the conference.
Boing!
26-09-2019, 03:47 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Correct. Section 1, paragraph 3 clearly states that if neither of paragraphs 1 and 2 is satisfied, paragraph 4 has to be enacted, i.e. boris seeking an extension.https://mobile.twitter.com/hilaryben...621953/photo/2
Should boris send two lettres, one requesting an extension, and an accompianing lettre saying disregard our request, he is in conflict with the benn bill, which demands he "seeks an extension", not "send a lettre". The bill however provides a form for a lettre to be used to seek that extension.
If neither of the two options are agreed it makes no difference. There is no legislation in the Benn Bill for a deal that is brought back to the commons and is then voted down.
26-09-2019, 03:49 PM
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Re: Why Prorogation is So Important for Boris
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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So, the opposition have voted to refuse the Tory Party 3 days recess to hold their party conference in Manchester.Bet Andy Burnham, Labour,Mayor of Greater Manchester, is pleased with his party. They stand to lose £30million pounds over the loss of the conference.
Boing!
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