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Re: What do you make of this...Fact or Fiction?

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Your ad lib is not in the commons library or the lisbon treaty.
Just convince yourself lady.


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30-09-2019, 11:55 PM
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Re: What do you make of this...Fact or Fiction?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Like I stated, the source is the house of commons library, see provided link.
Perhaps a read of the lisbon treaty would help too.

SECTION 2

PROVISIONS ON THE COMMON SECURITY AND DEFENCE POLICY

Article 42

(ex Article 17 TEU)

1. The common security and defence policy shall be an integral part of the common foreign and security policy. It shall provide the Union with an operational capacity drawing on civilian and military assets. The Union may use them on missions outside the Union for peace-keeping, conflict prevention and strengthening international security in accordance with the principles of the United Nations Charter. The performance of these tasks shall be undertaken using capabilities provided by the Member States.
The thin end of the wedge! The common market started like
this, look what it is now???
I think the clip is a spoof? But with valid reasons for concern!
Another exsample would be the CAP?

Regards Donkeyman!
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Re: What do you make of this...Fact or Fiction?

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
I think the clip is a spoof? But with valid reasons for concern!

Regards Donkeyman!
Look it up for yourself. Realist has urged everyone to read it.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...3A12012M%2FTXT
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01-10-2019, 05:56 AM
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Hi

We have NATO, if all members contributed their share life would be fine.

Unfortunately, some, like Germany do not.

We borrow to pay our share, Germany has a surplus but still refuses to pay.

One point I would make however is that there is only one Independent Nuclear Power in Europe, and that is France.

We are dependent on the USA.
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He sounds like a car park attendant to me. 'I repeat, you can't park there mister.'
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01-10-2019, 01:27 PM
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Re: What do you make of this...Fact or Fiction?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We have NATO, if all members contributed their share life would be fine.

Unfortunately, some, like Germany do not.

We borrow to pay our share, Germany has a surplus but still refuses to pay.

One point I would make however is that there is only one Independent Nuclear Power in Europe, and that is France.

We are dependent on the USA.
You are talking about the "required" part of their national budget they should spent on defence. In germany aufrüstung still is a tricky subject. In that respect they are shy to exhibit military might.
I have little ties with the part of dutch history under german occupation, but in my wife's family many still don't trust the germans, and like to keep arms far away from them.
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Re: What do you make of this...Fact or Fiction?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
You are talking about the "required" part of their national budget they should spent on defence. In germany aufrüstung still is a tricky subject. In that respect they are shy to exhibit military might.
I have little ties with the part of dutch history under german occupation, but in my wife's family many still don't trust the germans, and like to keep arms far away from them.
One of the reasons the EU member states like France, Spain, Holland etc are so terrified of the UK leaving.

With the UK as part of the EU, the 27 know that if Germany tries to occupy any of them again (like in WW1 and WW2) then the UK will come to the rescue and sort everything out.

Now we are leaving, you no longer have that luxury, especially since you don't keep up your NATO contributions.

30 days to go .... bye !
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Originally Posted by Puddle Duck ->
There seems to be substantial similarities raised by Lord James in the Lords.

The bottom line is, if the UK military and all things connected are removed and controlled by the EU,, our Queen might then have to abdicate.
Or she might not. More Brexiteer project fear.
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Or she might not. More Brexiteer project fear.
If military get political powers and influence it's bad news for democracy.
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Originally Posted by globeflower ->
Or she might not. More Brexiteer project fear.
I am not so sure it is, when questions were asked in parliament the lord who started it was put under great strain to retract, they wouldn't say he was wrong just he shouldn't have said it.

We are seeing tanks with eu emblems on them in france used against the people.

The army they want is for putting down unrest I believe.
 
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