30-05-2019, 04:26 PM
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Your problem is that you cannot work with anyone else in a cooperative way and always want it your way.Well now you have it.
I hope you enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
If the above is true Flicker, what is all this so called
negotiation about?
We asked our POSHOC to get us out full stop!
They are trying to pretend we are leaving !
They are the ones tying themselves in knots to avoid no
deal! Which imo is the only way left now to leave!
It should mean nothing to you what we do judging by your
posts?
I ask again WHY? did you return to this forum when by
your own admission you had joined another more intelligent
forum where you were happy?
Regards Donkeyman!
30-05-2019, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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If the above is true Flicker, what is all this so callednegotiation about?
Regards Donkeyman!
30-05-2019, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Is it possible you still do not know? The negotiations are about your withdrawal, nothing more. Your HoC wanted to establish the future trade relationship by introducing it in that same deal. There the hold up started and it all went wrong. You could have left in march, in which case you now would have been negotiating a trade deal. Instead now you stand empty handed. And it has nothing to do with EU actions, you accomplished this all by yourself.
For once I agree with most of what you say.
The current impasse is entirely our own fault.
Things could, and would have been, very different if we had not had that idiot May in charge.
Your EU Officials are laughing their heads off, they were expecting very difficult negotiations and have got away with far more than they were expecting.
Brexit should have been very different.
30-05-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiFor once I agree with most of what you say.
The current impasse is entirely our own fault.
Things could, and would have been, very different if we had not had that idiot May in charge.
Your EU Officials are laughing their heads off, they were expecting very difficult negotiations and have got away with far more than they were expecting.
Brexit should have been very different.
This has been suggested before, but I repeat it here.
We should leave with no deal in September at the latest (this has been delayed far too long already).
As soon as we have left and are trading under WTO rules, we should put in place any free-trade deals we have made with any third-party nations.
Immediately after that we should offer to make trade deals with the EU. My view is that, as it is in both of our interests to agree mutually beneficial trade deals, they would do so.
Of course, leaving without a deal is easier said than done, bearing in mind our inept politicians.
Surely, we don't have to wait until the next GE and the Brexit Party getting into government?
30-05-2019, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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I agree, and it still could be.Of course, leaving without a deal is easier said than done, bearing in mind our inept politicians.
Surely, we don't have to wait until the next GE and the Brexit Party getting into government?
02-06-2019, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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On the contrary, leaving is very easy, if you accept the consequenses. One is that by law, there is a border in ireland. It's a fact I haven't heard farage about, how to solve that. Have you?
Same as, what are the advantages of doing our own trade deals as against the ones we have?
Same as, give 5 reasons that haven't been shot down in flames for leaving.
02-06-2019, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by itsme
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Not many (if any) answers to that one Solasch.Same as, what are the advantages of doing our own trade deals as against the ones we have?
Same as, give 5 reasons that haven't been shot down in flames for leaving.
Why not Google up answers to your own questions then you can stop wasting everyone's time explaining this over and over again
02-06-2019, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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On the contrary, leaving is very easy, if you accept the consequenses. One is that by law, there is a border in ireland. It's a fact I haven't heard farage about, how to solve that. Have you?
Its already there
03-06-2019, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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Why not Google up answers to your own questions then you can stop wasting everyone's time explaining this over and over again
The simple fact is that those who advocate leaving without a deal cannot put together a cohesive argument of just how we will benefit by doing so.
In you own so call field of expertise and according to a good friends daughter who works in pharmaceutical research it will result in us being rule takers not makers as we will need to align with the regularity standards of others as no pharmaceutical company is going to bother with the expense of aligning with any UK only standards that may emerge in the future. So rather than taking back control we will lose it
Do, how about some verifiable facts as to how the UK will benefit from leaving?
03-06-2019, 06:19 AM
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HiLeaving without a Deal will put us in the worst possible position.
We have to start from scratch with a bunch of incompetents in charge.
We will be the only G20 Country in the World with no significant WTO Free Trade Deals.
There is an alternative, stop chasing Unicorns.
There is no such thing as Canada +++, it is simply not on offer.
What is on offer is a simple WTO Trade Deal, same as Canada, South Korea and Japan have accepted.
Good enough for them, it is how the World operates WTO Rules.
We can leave this year with such a deal in place.
Varadkar can swan off, he will not risk economic suicide by insisting on his backstop.
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