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She might not go now ....

Re: Tory party - no hard BREXIT.

The letter came as D-Day veteran Eric Chardin, who was 19 when he took part in the 1944 landings,*said that the prospect of Brexit worried him.
“I can’t help feeling that it would be an awful shame if what we’ve gone to so much trouble to do, to collect the European big nations together, to break it all up now would be a crying shame,” said Mr Chardin, 94, from Cambridge, in a BBC*interview at the 75th anniversary commemorations in Portsmouth.
Issuing a call for a Final Say referendum on Brexit, the signatories to the letter - published in The Independent - said that the EU should take credit for helping keep the peace in Europe.
And they challenged the invocation of wartime patriotism by the Leave camp, pointing out that it was Sir Winston Churchill who called for the creation of a “European family” to prevent another descent into bloodshed.
Churchill’s words helped inspire the creation of the Common Market, which evolved into the European Union with “one main purpose - to create lasting peace by entwining our economies and societies together on a continent once ravaged by war,” they said.

“Nato does not keep the peace in Europe – it keeps peace for Europe. It is the EU that keeps peace in Europe, because when you trade, you do not fight.
“As former members of the armed forces and veterans of more recent conflicts, we have served alongside soldiers from other European nations, supporting each other while under fire or facing danger.
“We have learnt that war stinks, that peace is the natural goal for civilisation, and that Europeans are our brothers in arms.
“But that peace and friendship is now threatened by Brexit.* Peace in Europe is not something that should be taken for granted.
"We should be proud to lead in Europe, proud that our friends respect us and can rely on us. That’s why we, as former members of the armed forces, all support a People’s Vote on Brexit.”

On D-Day, 75 ago, our brave forbears went over the Channel to help our friends who had been under oppression for almost five years.
We went there to help the French, Belgians, Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, and even Germans who were oppressed by the Nazis. Thirteen nations, including British, Irish, French and Dutch, also Belgians, Poles and Czechs - from all branches of the services - were part of that liberation coalition.

“As Europeans, we were stronger together then and should be stronger together now.”

He added: “What has happened since 2016 is very disturbing, and it’s clear that the military aspects of Brexit weren’t thought about properly.

“Politicians trying to force us out of the EU without going back to the people are cowards, not leaders. They have no mandate and no right to behave this way. Those of us who fought for democracy are demanding a democratic People’s Vote to hold them to account.”

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Somehow I doubt very much that our war veterans would want to be ruled by unelected leaders and answerable to Germany, marching to the tune of someone's else's anthem and wearing someone elses flag.

Get real ...its fake news

Even on a day like this you seem to astound everyone by coming up with something even more stupid than you have before.

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Like Shropshiregirls post many other brexiteers Conflate the failings of successive UK governments to address inequality within this country with the EU and democracy

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Go to Greece Italy Spain Portugal Ireland and look at the disaster the Euro and the ECB has been for those countries.

If you want to address inequality stop paying billions of pounds a year into other peoples failing economies.

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Like Shropshiregirl you conflate the consequences of national policies with EU policy as being the root cause of inequality within various countries

Are any of the countries you cite looking to leave the EU?

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I see you’ve been taking lessons from Donald Trump

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/06/d-day...urope-9840041/

The only thing fake is you

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You are deluding yourself if you think troubled EU countries are making national decisions for themselves. Bail out arrangements have meant that austerity measures have been forced upon them.......Greece is the classic example.

All the while German and French banks are making £billions in profit from the bailout financing.

The rise of the populist right across the EU is the answer to your question.

Yes, the people of Europe are unhappy.

We are lucky in the UK in that we are a large nation with a large , diverse economy and that we can hold our own outside he EU,

Smaller, nations like Greece, Croatia, Hungary wouldn't survive the backlash the EU would bestow upon them and so, in effect, they are trapped in an Empire that won't allow them to survive if they left.

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The D Day veteran is just one voter with one deluded opinion. Europe doesn't need the UK in the EU in order not to slaughter each other.

The EU might well have been a factor in keeping the peace but I believe if the EU had remained as a straightforwad trading bloc peace would still have been maintained in Europe thanks to the presence of Nato and thanks to the fall of the Berlin wall and the rise in prosperity that followed.

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You might want to compare our unemployment figures as well.

Italy Greece and France would be the most likely to leave look at the rise of eurosceptic parties.

I put up the odds from William hill a few months ago