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20-08-2018, 06:45 PM
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Why is our present monarch called Elizabeth II?
This is not as trivial as it sounds.
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20-08-2018, 06:48 PM
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Okay ... I must be missing something but will give the only, simple answer I know.

Elizabeth II, only to the English, following on after Elizabeth Tudor., who never had an ordinal number as the first of the name don't until another comes along.

Elizabeth I to the Scots, as she is the first to them .. as Elizabeth Tudor didn't rule them as they were independent.
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20-08-2018, 07:51 PM
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That's it in a nutshell, Morticia.

Although Elizabeth II is entitled to use the style Elizabeth II in Scotland and in the states that were once former dominions, for reasons explained in this article.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinio...of_the_Border/
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20-08-2018, 08:05 PM
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That was a good link ... It's all a bit more involved than I thought Boots.

I can remember in my youth chatting to some Scots in the local pub. Nice friendly people.
Until ... a row got going about this Elizabeth I or Elizabeth II thing ... and by the time I'd wriggled to safety a fight had blown up in the car park and the police had to be called.
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20-08-2018, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Morticia ->
That was a good link ... It's all a bit more involved than I thought Boots.

I can remember in my youth chatting to some Scots in the local pub. Nice friendly people.
Until ... a row got going about this Elizabeth I or Elizabeth II thing ... and by the time I'd wriggled to safety a fight had blown up in the car park and the police had to be called.
ooo-err ... the fight was nowt to do with you, I suppose?
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20-08-2018, 08:22 PM
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So why did James VI become James I after the Union of the Crowns in 1603?
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20-08-2018, 08:25 PM
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Sixth of Scotland.
First of England and the new whole shebang of countries.

Leastways that was what I was taught at school ... many many decades ago.
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20-08-2018, 08:28 PM
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Same as the Scots don't recognise any King Henry.

But neither do English, or Brits, recognise any Robert or Malcolm.
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20-08-2018, 08:32 PM
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Having said that I don't know where the Welsh stand on this before they were conquered by Edward I... whether they recongise William I, William II or the Norman and Angevin kings.
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20-08-2018, 08:33 PM
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I'm jealous of her surname of "II". It would be so much easier to sign my name off with "II" instead of my long-winded real surname.
She also has another surname too, which is "R". Apparently.

I wonder if she is a secret rapper?
 
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