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Theresa May Could Save Remainer Grieve From Deselection as MP.

Local constituency Associations have always retained the right to deselect their sitting MP if not acting in their best interest, but it seems that once again, democracy is something only permitted when suits the Tory agenda.

This, in today’s Daily Mail…

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Theresa May could intervene to stop the deselection of Dominic Grieve MP, a minister suggested yesterday.

The former attorney general faces being removed as the Tory candidate in Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, over his support for a second referendum.

At a meeting of his local constituency association on Friday, Mr Grieve was heckled by party members who called him a “liar” “traitor” and “disgusting”.

The association passed a motion of no confidence in their MP by 182 votes to 131 after it was tabled by former Ukip member Jon Conway. But Home Office minister Victoria Atkins yesterday hinted the Prime Minister might step in to ensure the Remain MP keeps his seat. She told Plenaar’s Politics on BBC 5 Live: “The Prime Minister’s been very clear about this. Dominic has given years and years of service for the parliamentary party, to the country - It’s not a binding motion, is my understanding. She added: “We are a broad church and we will not stand for that sort of behaviour. We want to, we have to, reflect the broad range of opinion across the country - Dominic is a very, very good MP and someone I am close to, in the party.
We want to treat colleagues with respect and courtesy and kindness”

Since Friday’s meeting, a number of party figures have rallied around Mr. Grieve, including Boris Johnson who tweeted: “We disagree about the EU but is a good man and a true Conservative”.

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Well! It seems that any back-stabbing, treacherous MP, who lied to their own constituents, is permitted to stay on because…. He is a good man and a true Conservative! even Boris, in his quest no doubt to be the next PM, needs his possible extra vote!!
That just about sums up the Tory Party.

What on earth is going on! What gives any MP the right to think they can act in a manner that goes against constituents wishes and carry on believing they have a job for life?
Surely they should be open to a challenge if they no longer reflect the views of their local party and electorate?

It’s not just Dominic Grieves being punished for their betrayal either.
In Grantham and Stamford, an “accelerated deselection programme” has been started by several Conservative Associations against another betrayer of his constituents, - Mr Nick Boles.

These two are hopefully, just the start of many MP’s who believed they were so up the ladder of power, their action in going against their Leave constituencies would have no consequences. Sod Theresa May! If she insists on sticking her oar in after what she has done, mass resignations at local party level should soon sort her and the Tory party out. after all, it is they that do all the donkey work that puts those plonkers in office. Without them, they are nothing!

What do you think? Should the above gruesome twosome have voted with the people who put them into their plum position to serve them, or that they had the right to ignore their constituents wishes and vote with their own conscience?
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01-04-2019, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
What on earth is going on! What gives any MP the right to think they can act in a manner that goes against constituents wishes and carry on believing they have a job for life?

or that they had the right to ignore their constituents wishes and vote with their own conscience?
Could it be possible that mp's, having a large civil service at their disposal, are better informed than any of theur constituents? Making them able to make te better choices than any of their constituents?
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Could it be possible that mp's, having a large civil service at their disposal, are better informed than any of theur constituents? Making them able to make te better choices than any of their constituents?
Try telling that to local Tory Associations! try explaining that to the electorate that voted that same man or woman into office, fully believing that they would stand up and be counted as their elected representative to speak and act on their behalf!

After winning a referendum (and yes, we have heard all the excuses from remainers about it not being legally binding etc) and then watch with the sickening reality that, that same MP is going against everything they rightly expected of them to represent them.

Also, your comment regarding MP's knowing more? What you are basically stating therefore, is that the elite establishment are intelligent and their decisions should never be questioned, and that anyone living outside the bubble are simply ignorant and unintelligent enough to take in all that is happening at present, and that they should simply carry on as plebs and adhere to the favourite motto of those who think they are better than others - "Do what I say, not what I do"
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Perhaps if more of them lost their jobs and high salary they might actually realise that they are employed by the people who they are supposed to represent by following our wishes. If they don't want to do that then get out.
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Also, your comment regarding MP's knowing more? What you are basically stating therefore, is that the elite establishment are intelligent and their decisions should never be questioned,
That's not what I'm saying, and the actions of mp's in recent times contradict them being intelligent. Better informed in the sense of in depth, broader information. Enabling them to make better informed decisions. Playing party politics seems to interfere with that ability, otherwise none would advocate brexit.
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While we do need people with intelligence in government we also need to be able to trust them when we make a decision to do what we say despite anything else they may be thinking. When it comes to things like brexit where it's what the voters want they should just do it. If they were so sure it was wrong they had plenty of time to tell us prior to the vote instead they acted really intelligently with a scare campaign and insults about us being bigots and racists. Not the most intelligent way to win us over.

I'd also say in many of these intelligent people's minds is they are working for business not for the common people. Which isn't what majority of us want them to do.
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Re: Theresa May Could Save Remainer Grieve From Deselection as MP.

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If they were so sure it was wrong they had plenty of time to tell us prior to the vote instead they acted really intelligently with a scare campaign and insults about us being bigots and racists. Not the most intelligent way to win us over.
On this forum many have been arguing with you, with referrals to information. You still favour brexit. Apparently you just will not hear it. In such cases it is the duty of elected representatives to use their knowledge, additional information and intelligence to make an informed decision.
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
On this forum many have been arguing with you, with referrals to information. You still favour brexit. Apparently you just will not hear it. In such cases it is the duty of elected representatives to use their knowledge, additional information and intelligence to make an informed decision.
Elected representatives duty, Solash, is to represent their
constituents wishes, that is their sole function, that is why
it is called WILL OF THE PEOPLE, l find it difficult Solash
for such a seemingly educated (l wont say intelligent ) person
such as yourself cant grasp what we are saying

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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Elected representatives duty, Solash, is to represent their
constituents wishes, that is their sole function, that is why
it is called WILL OF THE PEOPLE, l find it difficult Solash
for such a seemingly educated (l wont say intelligent ) person
such as yourself cant grasp what we are saying

Regards Donkeyman.
From the code of conduct of members of parliament:

Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.

So, country first, constituents second. Not hard to grasp at all, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
From the code of conduct of members of parliament:

Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.

So, country first, constituents second. Not hard to grasp at all, isn't it?
They are doing neither
 
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