01-03-2020, 01:23 PM
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Re: Turkey and Syrian immigrants .
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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Like Palestine you mean ? What the International community should do is tell Erdogan to get out of a country that doesn't belong to him. If my memory is correct, didn't Hilter march into someone else's land ?
01-03-2020, 01:24 PM
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Re: Turkey and Syrian immigrants .
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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Iran has given Turkey ultimatum to get out of Syria, otherwise she will start a missile strike. It was only a matter of time and now the silent world will panic !!
01-03-2020, 03:02 PM
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Re: Turkey and Syrian immigrants .
As always, the problem seems to be around the Middle East. That part of the world will never be at peace. It never has been and never will be.That is why I believe we should keep well out of it and leave them to squabble with each other.
The main attraction for the West is, of course, oil. However, oil will not last for ever and as time goes on more and more alternatives are being discovered and developed.
The latest item of news is that Turkey is sending its troubles to Europe in the form of thousands of migrants lining up to enter Greece and Bulgaria. So what is the EU's opinion about this?
The EU has talked about admitting Turkey into its empire and Turkey would like to join, apparently, but no-one wants the potential of millions more of immigrants from the Middle East entering Europe.
No-one knows what will happen next, but if nothing else 'we live in interesting times'!
Never mind Europe. Not our problem any more. We should just ensure we can police our borders with the European mainland, which should be relatively easy to do bearing in mind that we have the distinct benefit of a 'moat' - the Channel.
01-03-2020, 03:22 PM
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Re: Turkey and Syrian immigrants .
Originally Posted by Judd
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Exactly this. Erdogan used the excuse of eradicating Kurdistan 'terrorists' who were sheltering in the area but is now trying to reclaim the area as part of Turkey to which it belonged before the treaty after the 1st world war when the Ottoman Empire was split up and shared out between Arab nations. It won't do his reputation any harm at home as he wants to be seen as the man who restored Turkey to its former glory.
empire?
He is certainly giving them plenty of provocation ? What with his
claim on their sea area's and allowing migrants to freely access
the greek islands etc!
The greeks are now talking of intervening in Lybia as well, in
opposition to the turks!
Donkeyman!
04-03-2020, 11:23 AM
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Re: Turkey and Syrian immigrants .
It once again comes back to oil (and gas) IMO.Turkey in Libya supporting the Western backed leader. I can't see Greece fighting on the opposing sides there.
But on the other side is Commander Khalifa Haftar, who controls Eastern Libyan ports. They have shut down oil exports and slashed crude output by more than half.
It was mentioned on one news channel that this results in a loss of $50 million per day to the UN.
That was reported just a few days before the summit in Berlin, Germany. When Germany was trying to persuade Haftar to stop his campaign to take Tripoli.
Turkey wants the oil and Turkey wants the gas... but has been bi-passed by new wells found in the Med. which is now to be pumped through to Europe via Greece.
A pipeline that went from the Med, via Israel through Syria to be extended to Turkey and onto Europe is now surplus, and as US wants to sell natural gas to Europe, thus also cutting off Russia and Iran's supplies through Syria it looks like Turkey will be missing out .
So I see it that Erdgan is still fighting for the land to which the pipeline was planned in Syria , he's made a deal with the UN in trying to get rid of Haftar in Tripoli, so UN can have their $50 million a day, and using some of the excess Syrian terrorists in the army Erdogan has formed calling it the 'Syrian National Army', whilst saving his own men from that battle. He's taking spite out on Greece and Europe because as feels betrayed by both , and Erdogan is working as a proxy for US in Syria (they've just committed assistance in the form of what no one knows yet) but US will as always want the oil.
So, in my mind, nothing is quite so black and white, and for the West , NATO, UN to put blame squarely on the shoulders of the Syrians and the Russians in this whole nasty, destructive and very painful war, is trying to hide their own guilt on what I see as an International master plan, that has gone very. very wrong.
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