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At least we don't have a habit of running away from wars (like the Dutch do).
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Further to my earlier post:-

"FAQ | European joint defence force
Why an EU army?
The structural integration of the European Unionís armed forces has been a long-standing strategic ambition of the EU, with the latest initiative being based on the 2009 Lisbon Treaty.

Why not sooner?
The United Kingdom, Europeís pre-eminent military power, blocked this, fearing the creation of a Europe-wide army. However, post-Brexit we have no say in the matter and the EU has pushed ahead with plans.

A resurgent Russia and the election of Donald Trump, on a platform attacking Nato, may have lent a sense of urgency to the process. The Permanent Structured Cooperation (Pesco) was initiated in 2017.

Which countries would be involved?
The UK is exempted, Denmark and Malta have opted out. All 25 other European Union members are committed. Initial plans envisaged countries such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Poland creating permanent military structures to act on behalf of the EU and for the deployment of the EU's battle groups and 18 national battalions. It could also comprise an EU military planning and operations headquarters in Brussels that would parallel Nato.

What stage is it at?
Initial plans to try and boost EU defence spending, and save money by pooling resources, include exempting defence equipment manufacturers from paying VAT, and applying EU research grants to the sector.

Anything else?
Pesco has the backing of Nato. However, France and Germany currently disagree on the projectís ultimate goal. France would like a tightly-integrated military force, ready to rapidly intervene in global trouble spots. Germany wants a broad coalition across all EU member states, building defensive unity against potential attack."
Presumably with none of their army / soldiers involved?.......
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Re: They Said that an EU Army Wouldn't Happen

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At least we don't have a habit of running away from wars (like the Dutch do).
But never from wars where trade was involved. Four we fought against you british/english. You know how many you lost?
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But never from wars where trade was involved. Four we fought against you british/english. You know how many you lost?
How's your trade war with the USA ?

Going well is it ?
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How's your trade war with the USA ?

Going well is it ?
Proud to be an american, aren't you?
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09-10-2019, 09:27 PM
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Proud to be an american, aren't you?

Im not american at all.

Hows your american free trade beef quotas ?

Going well is it ?
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Im not american at all.

Hows your american free trade beef quotas ?

Going well is it ?
No idea. Over here irish beef is preferred for it's quality. And no tariffs.
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No idea. Over here irish beef is preferred for it's quality. And no tariffs.

Theres no tarrifs on the american beef quotas either.

Thinking about it, we should charge for Irish lorries to use our roads going over to holland with their beef.
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Are the Germans able to provide a viable attacking military force?

From the Times May2019
The Luftwaffe is understood to have only four combat-ready Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets out of a fleet of 128, the latest in a long list of equipment failings in the German armed forces...​

...It also followed recent reports that none of the German navyís six submarines was combat-ready; only nine out of 15 supposedly active frigates were in full service; and only 95 out of 244 German tanks were operational. In February a leaked report on equipment shortages revealed that a tank unit had to use a painted broomstick to simulate a gun barrel on a Nato exercise.​
Only about ten of Germanyís Eurofighters are able to take part in operations because of a problem with coolant leaking from the warning system that alerts pilots to potential attack, Spiegel reported. This is in stark contrast to the 82 jets that Germany told Nato were operational, in line with its obligations to the alliance. ​
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