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14-09-2019, 06:51 PM
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Ice melting / Fly infestations?

Greenland and Alaska glaciers are melting at an unprecedented
rate, Russian and Finnish states innundated by hordes of
flies, thought to be caused by the artic tundra thawing out!
Climate change is really happehing, and if the tundra continues
to thaw then us humans are really in trouble, because that
is likely to release billions of cubic feet of greenhouse
gassess and so increase the rate of temp increases?
We could be near the so called tip over point right now?
What can we do? Nobody really knows?
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14-09-2019, 08:38 PM
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The planet has been here before, when the polar ice caps receded and sea levels rose Donkeyman, much of the landmass was covered in water. Even the outback in Australia was several fathoms submerged as Opal being mined now was deposited thousands of years ago by seawater permeating the rock. Fossils of sea creatures have been found high up on mountains that were once submerged.

The problem is.......we weren't here then....
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Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
The planet has been here before, when the polar ice caps receded and sea levels rose Donkeyman, much of the landmass was covered in water. Even the outback in Australia was several fathoms submerged as Opal being mined now was deposited thousands of years ago by seawater permeating the rock. Fossils of sea creatures have been found high up on mountains that were once submerged.

The problem is.......we weren't here then....
Your last sentence caused me to change what I was going
to say OGF
Perhaps we can utilise all the ocean liners sailing around
at the moment, trouble is they would be full of politicians
and billionares!
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14-09-2019, 11:14 PM
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Funny enough Donkeyman, I have been reading about this only this evening.

The article said . . . " 1st August 2019, saw the biggest loss of ice in a single day from the Greenland Ice sheet: 12.5 billion tonnes of ice melted into the sea!"

It also says: " For the UK changes mean wetter weather and more risk of flooding near the coast.
In other areas of the world, climate change is making extreme weather events such as droughts, heatwaves, storms and wildfires more likely to happen - and much worse when they do.

"The changes are also disrupting the delicate balance of life on every continent, endangering entire communities of living things.
Many animals are moving in response to changing climate. For example, Mosquitoes that carry Malaria are spreading as the world warms up.

" The oceans soak up most of the extra heat, but this then affects sea life.
Sea turtles are under pressure. Rising seas are flooding the beaches where they lay their eggs. Hotter sand also affects the sec of turtles hatching from these eggs.
A study carried out in Australia in 2018 found that 99% of new green sea turtle hatchlings were female.

"Also, warmer water damages the sea anemones that provide a safe hiding place for the Clownfish, and when these fish get stressed out, they stop laying eggs."



There is much more to the article, this is only a tiny part of it, but it shows how every form of life will be - and is being - affected, not just humans.
I honestly don't know what will happen to life in the future.
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15-09-2019, 02:11 AM
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We have about 250 glaciers and all are retreating. I remember visiting Fox Glacier back in 2007.
Get an idea of scale if you look for the people in the marked area.
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15-09-2019, 09:58 AM
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From the way these things are escalating now begs the
question , has the trigger point been reached or even passed
allready??
Evidence is that we are at least on the cusp of irreversable
change?
Can anybody tell me what we can do to effect these natural
processes that are underway at the moment??
I am unable to see us being able to act quickly or effectively
enough to alter things?
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15-09-2019, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
From the way these things are escalating now begs the
question , has the trigger point been reached or even passed
allready??

Evidence is that we are at least on the cusp of irreversable
change?
Can anybody tell me what we can do to effect these natural
processes that are underway at the moment??
I am unable to see us being able to act quickly or effectively
enough to alter things?
Have a nice day!

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I can't answer that donkeyman, but if we have not already gone through 'the point of no return' I feel we must be close.
The worrying thing is, people are not heeding warnings and are still carrying on regardless.

Even if we stopped burning fossil fuels and cutting down forests now, the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere would continue to warm our planet for decades. And we are not even stopping yet.

We wait and wait for people in authority to tell us what to do instead of learning and thinking for ourselves.

The write up I was reading said we call ALL do small things to help make a difference, but the majority of people don't seem willing to give anything up.

Quote: "Everything we buy, watch, eat and wear takes energy to make, and because of 80% of the worlds's energy comes from fossil fuels, that creates even more greenhouse gases.

"Food is a good place to start. Why not find out where our food comes from and how it was produced. Many foods that go off quickly are flowin in by aeroplane - a huge source of greenhouse gases."

In my opinion, as someone said earlier, it doesn't help because we have come to all expect 'out of season' fruit & veg, which inevitable comes from abroad.

We'll have to grow our own again, and all keep some hens for fresh eggs for a start! Pity I haven' got my dairy goats any more too!
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15-09-2019, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mups ->
I can't answer that donkeyman, but if we have not already gone through 'the point of no return' I feel we must be close.
The worrying thing is, people are not heeding warnings and are still carrying on regardless.

Even if we stopped burning fossil fuels and cutting down forests now, the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere would continue to warm our planet for decades. And we are not even stopping yet.

We wait and wait for people in authority to tell us what to do instead of learning and thinking for ourselves.

The write up I was reading said we call ALL do small things to help make a difference, but the majority of people don't seem willing to give anything up.

Quote: "Everything we buy, watch, eat and wear takes energy to make, and because of 80% of the worlds's energy comes from fossil fuels, that creates even more greenhouse gases.

"Food is a good place to start. Why not find out where our food comes from and how it was produced. Many foods that go off quickly are flowin in by aeroplane - a huge source of greenhouse gases."

In my opinion, as someone said earlier, it doesn't help because we have come to all expect 'out of season' fruit & veg, which inevitable comes from abroad.

We'll have to grow our own again, and all keep some hens for fresh eggs for a start! Pity I haven' got my dairy goats any more too!

In the so called developed nations Mups most of us believe
technology will come to our rescue and the underdeveloped
nations are basically helpless?
The only hope we have is that some natural event will
intervene to break the cycle we are in?

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15-09-2019, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ciderman ->
We have about 250 glaciers and all are retreating. I remember visiting Fox Glacier back in 2007.
Get an idea of scale if you look for the people in the marked area.
Seems the southern hemisphere has similar bproblems to
the north ciderman?

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15-09-2019, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mups ->
Funny enough Donkeyman, I have been reading about this only this evening.

The article said . . . " 1st August 2019, saw the biggest loss of ice in a single day from the Greenland Ice sheet: 12.5 billion tonnes of ice melted into the sea!"

It also says: " For the UK changes mean wetter weather and more risk of flooding near the coast.
In other areas of the world, climate change is making extreme weather events such as droughts, heatwaves, storms and wildfires more likely to happen - and much worse when they do.

"The changes are also disrupting the delicate balance of life on every continent, endangering entire communities of living things.
Many animals are moving in response to changing climate. For example, Mosquitoes that carry Malaria are spreading as the world warms up.

" The oceans soak up most of the extra heat, but this then affects sea life.
Sea turtles are under pressure. Rising seas are flooding the beaches where they lay their eggs. Hotter sand also affects the sec of turtles hatching from these eggs.
A study carried out in Australia in 2018 found that 99% of new green sea turtle hatchlings were female.

"Also, warmer water damages the sea anemones that provide a safe hiding place for the Clownfish, and when these fish get stressed out, they stop laying eggs."



There is much more to the article, this is only a tiny part of it, but it shows how every form of life will be - and is being - affected, not just humans.
I honestly don't know what will happen to life in the future.
I have just responded to your post on Butterflies before reading this post, Mups .
So many individual concerns are raised and we attempt to understand, and do understand so much more than we used to. On the other hand, we seem to be blindly moving forward with the latest scientific experiment, or technological achievement without understand anything of the impact outside of our own vision until maybe it's too late.
I believe nature will survive, on one level or another, but if the great cycle of the balance of nature is severed, we will suffer indirectly for a long time.
We only have to see how the vultures in Africa are being threatened. Scavengers of dead carcasses and the only creature that is able to digest the bacteria of botulinum, cholera and anthrax. They feed off the carcasses of elephants that have been poisoned by poachers,(reports indicate that an elephant is slaughtered every 25 mins in Africa) In turn other wildlife such as insects and grubs feed off the dead vultures and also die from the poison in the system and so it goes on. Yet again, the end result is only to satisfy the consumer markets whether legal or illegal.
Climate change and ice caps melting, would seem to be a very big wake-up call of human activity gone massively wrong from a different perspective .
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