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17-09-2019, 10:31 AM
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Re: Ice melting / Fly infestations?

Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
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So do you believe that these changes have never taken place before in the history of the world Puddle Duck? Have they only occured recently due to man's involvement?
And do you think that man has the ability to alter the direction of nature?
And if we could alter the direction of nature do you think something equally nasty would be the result?

Read my signature at the bottom of the page.....
I thought that applied to rocket bscience OGF?
But on reflection it applies to biology and most other things
as well but in a more indirect way??

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17-09-2019, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mups ->
What do you disagree with, Donkeyman?
The fact we are speeding things up, or that it is inevitable?
Sorry Mups l thought l was clear?
So, l think it is debateable that we are speeding things up
Myself l think we are! But l dont think the evidence for this
is overwhelming yet?

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17-09-2019, 10:47 AM
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No doubt climate change would have happened anyway but there is not much doubt that we are speeding it up by releasing fossil fuels on a big scale and by being too successful as a species with our population explosion.
I think your last statement is the driver of your second
statement Ciderman?

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03-10-2019, 07:04 PM
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The accelaration of global warming is just the manifestation of
the way that natural processess take p!ace, in that they generally
start slowly and as they approach the so called tipping point so
they speed up more and more untill the process goes completely
over into the other extreme, which will be irreversable by any
possible human efforts!
This can be illustrated by the growth of grass which is controlled
by the length of daylight hours between winter and summer!
When at a certain time each year the grass either ceases to /or
starts to grow!
I think we are on the cusp right now?
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03-10-2019, 08:46 PM
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Re: Ice melting / Fly infestations?

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
The accelaration of global warming is just the manifestation of
the way that natural processess take p!ace, in that they generally
start slowly and as they approach the so called tipping point so
they speed up more and more untill the process goes completely
over into the other extreme, which will be irreversable by any
possible human efforts!
This can be illustrated by the growth of grass which is controlled
by the length of daylight hours between winter and summer!
When at a certain time each year the grass either ceases to /or
starts to grow!
I think we are on the cusp right now?
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Good post Donkeyman.......I'm impressed....
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03-10-2019, 08:49 PM
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Re: Ice melting / Fly infestations?

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Good post Donkeyman.......I'm impressed....
I struggle OGF but keep trying?
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I struggle OGF but keep trying?
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You'll not go far wrong now you're on the forum.....
I'd rather be down the pub, but have to limit my visits l'm afraid!

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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
I'd rather be down the pub, but have to limit my visits l'm afraid!

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Have you still got a pub nearby Donkeyman, they seem to have outlawed most of the pubs round here and turned them into eateries or Co-ops....Never mind about stopping smoking in them, I think the death nell sounded about the same time Tesco (and others) started selling cheap beer.....
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06-10-2019, 06:40 PM
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As I was just emptying the clothes dryer these thoughts came to me:

What if we thought about our participation in curbing anthropogenic climate change in the same way we approach car safety?

Every time we get in a car, we put on our seatbelts. Further, most of us drive safely, and we make sure are cars are in safe operating condition.

We don't plan to get into a serious car accident and there is no guarantee we will involved in one, but the probability is out there. We wear our seatbelts because we know that the laws of physics are against us and there is plenty of data out there that reports that accidents could happen. None of us are walking around with those statistics in our heads; we have just accumulated that understanding through the news, photos, and anecdotes from people we know.

One of us not wearing a seatbelt will not make a difference to the overall statistics in regards to deaths and serious injuries. However, as we have all begun to wear them, and through demand require improved safety design in all cars those numbers (as a percent of population) have dropped significantly.

This could be a good analogy for anthropogenic climate change. Just like we can never completely stop the deaths and injuries associated with driving (or eliminate the laws of physics that can sometime hurt us), we can bet on curbing the effects.

More, we have collectively decided that the potential wasted cost of seatbelts and safety design is worth the risk of never getting in an accident. When we get in our cars, we take the conservative approach to the potential of harm, by putting on our seatbelts, driving safely, and maintaining safe cars. With micro changes in our behavior, we have reduced the potential for harm on a macro scale.

Why wouldn't we make a few changes in our behavior (not to say that we aren't already) not to do the same when it comes to climate? Even if the models, data, and scientists are wrong, isn't it worth the cost and effort - even if macro climate change is outside of our ability to affect it in any way?

I'm glad my dad always told me to put on my seatbelt and more clothes on the line.
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