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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?

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It is important to me not to cause others harm. It's impossible to avoid sometimes but it's never intentional. I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do believe in assisted dying if someone really wants to end their own suffering from illness.

It's natural for humans to delight in the pain of others. It's a side to our psyche that should be discouraged in a civilised society. So if you take the very serious step of condemning someone to death it should not be to satisfy dark urges for revenge and pain, but purely to seek justice with the least gratification.
ooooo Annie, I wouldn't say I would 'delight' in the pain of someone who was executed, but I would probably think they don't deserve to be on earth.
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02-10-2019, 08:46 PM
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Only in the states where they have eternal appeals .
When there was CP in the uk execution took place within a few weeks of the last appeal .
We haven't had in UK for decades so its a bit of an irrelevant comparison.
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02-10-2019, 08:47 PM
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I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do believe in assisted dying if someone really wants to end their own suffering from illness.
Although off topic (sorry), irrespective of the moral arguments that abound, there are financial implications. First being that insurers would be exempt from paying out any life insurances if the death could thus be deemed as suicide. Second, anyone who assists would not be able to benefit from the subsequent financial proceeds, whether this is a life insurance or, more pointedly, inheritance from the deceased's estate. Theoretically, the state would inherit the estate and could force the sale of a house in order to pay any legal costs.

This aspect is rarely pointed out by proponents from either side, which seems a worrying omission IMHO.
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02-10-2019, 09:08 PM
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Hang him - simples!
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?

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We haven't had in UK for decades so its a bit of an irrelevant comparison.
Not really .
Other countries that have still have CP donít have people on death row for decades either itís an America form of extended cruelty .
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02-10-2019, 09:15 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?

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Although off topic (sorry), irrespective of the moral arguments that abound, there are financial implications. First being that insurers would be exempt from paying out any life insurances if the death could thus be deemed as suicide. Second, anyone who assists would not be able to benefit from the subsequent financial proceeds, whether this is a life insurance or, more pointedly, inheritance from the deceased's estate. Theoretically, the state would inherit the estate and could force the sale of a house in order to pay any legal costs.

This aspect is rarely pointed out by proponents from either side, which seems a worrying omission IMHO.
Thatís why people go to Dignidas and DIY.
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02-10-2019, 09:16 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?

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The purpose of a death penalty should surely be utilitarian, not retribution.
To knowingly cause pain during the procedure is to stoop to a level of disregard which the prisoner has presumably demonstrated, and we should be above that if we are to claim any moral high ground.
Why is having the moral high ground important. ?

Prisoner causes pain to their victim, prisoner should receive same level of pain when they are put to death. I see no issue with that.
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02-10-2019, 09:17 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?

Originally Posted by Dextrous63 ->
Although off topic (sorry), irrespective of the moral arguments that abound, there are financial implications. First being that insurers would be exempt from paying out any life insurances if the death could thus be deemed as suicide. Second, anyone who assists would not be able to benefit from the subsequent financial proceeds, whether this is a life insurance or, more pointedly, inheritance from the deceased's estate. Theoretically, the state would inherit the estate and could force the sale of a house in order to pay any legal costs.

This aspect is rarely pointed out by proponents from either side, which seems a worrying omission IMHO.
Whilst I can understand that life insurance would not pay out on suicide, I don't think that would be a consideration if someone is suffering so much every day. Financial legalities can be changed if the law is amended. I've never heard that an inheritance would be retained by the state. But then I don't know much about it, I just think it shouldn't be a crime when someone is being artificially kept alive.
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02-10-2019, 09:39 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?

Originally Posted by Muddy ->
Not really .
Other countries that have still have CP donít have people on death row for decades either itís an America form of extended cruelty .
You mentioned UK, not other countries.

"Most countries, including almost all First World nations, have abolished capital punishment either in law or in practice. Notable exceptions are the United States, China, India, Japan, South Korea, and most Islamic states. The United States is the only Western country to still use the death penalty."

But let that pass.
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02-10-2019, 09:42 PM
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I'll probably get blasted, but I cannot be in favour of the death sentence for anyone.
Based on various reasons, one being if we would not be able to deliver the dreaded deed ourselves, why should we expect another to end a life . Those who can do must also be some sort of head case.

Another reason is when I was a young girl, I heard the bell toll at Walton prison for the last man in the country to be hanged. I can still hear that bell today, and it still sends shivers down my spine when I think about it........ like now !

Yes, they will have committed terrible crimes and destroyed families, but I feel that supporting a death penalty makes me as guilty as the perpetrator and the families of those criminals will also suffer terribly , through no fault of their own either.
Which ever way we see it, there is a life long sentence for everyone involved, but the death sentence let's the guilty off the hook .
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